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Anniversary Follow Up

This amazing theme has developed over the past few months when a particular blog or Facebook post will elicit a fabulous debate amongst my fans, and I’ll sometimes get a particularly stunning message from a fan, and then I have to feature it as a follow-up post.  Yesterday, I got one such message from a fan regarding my 10-year anniversary post on the subject of gay marriage in America.

That has been the single most popular post I’ve ever written…well over 8,000 people have read it, and I’ve received over 200 comments here on my blog and on Facebook about it.  The response has been overwhelmingly heart warming, from BOTH sides of the issue.  But an email I received yesterday really struck me, and I feel like I have to share it:

“I was born in Southern California to a pretty traditional family. We attended a Charismatic Christian church that was usually held on the beach. It was pretty free. Pretty laid back. We moved to Texas in 1976 and when my parents couldn’t find a church that matched what we had in California they started their own along with some new friends.  I loved that church. We usually took off our shoes when we got there so we could dance better. :)~  It was a great up-bringing but it didn’t last for-ever. What does?

There came contention in the church. A fellow parishioner cheated on his wife and the church disbanded him and told the rest of the parish we were to no longer have any thing to do with him. My parents severely disagreed and left the church.
My mother still will not have anything to do with church.

About 6 years ago I converted to Catholicism. I craved a Traditionalism and order that i had never had in my life. Their beliefs are not always lined up with my own but nothing ever will be.

My beliefs on homosexuality began in the Charismatic church. We were given TRACTS. Little pamphlets distributed, I believe, to distance us from the rest of the world. Designed to let us know what we were doing right and the rest of the world was doing wrong. In one in particular, there were homosexuals beating preachers because of their “hate messages and bigotry”. Remember….this was the late 70’s. I remember thinking as a young girl this would NEVER happen. It wasn’t hate. It was following Biblical principles. THEY were the ones being hateful by physically abusing people for OUR beliefs.  This was my mindset at age 7 but still, my parents taught me to respond to ALL people in LOVE.

As you know, the world is not much different than that now. I still see that TRACT in my minds eye and i wonder where the hate comes from.

Lead in to now.

About 12 years ago i married a man a little older than me and definitely set in his ways. He is very narrow minded and very out-spoken about his beliefs.  Over the years my beliefs and my behaviors have slowly matched up with his. Once I became aware of this, I started questioning myself.

What is really right? What does the Church tell me? What do I remember from my teachings as a child? But most importantly, what do I really FEEL is right???

Ben, I was always taught that homosexuality is wrong. An abomination. However, with all this in the news the past few years and all the hate and anger spewing so abundantly, I can’t help but question everything I’ve ever known.

I’ve gone to my priest, I’ve gone to other religious pastors, I’ve gone to my parents and I’ve asked my spouse….but the most important thing….I went to Jesus.
I’ve cried over the turmoil in my mind but the one thing I can’t seem to undermine is that everybody deserves the right to be loved!!! Not just by a spouse but by me!!!

Ben, your writing really put so many things into perspective for me from the very beginning when you said not to listen to any one but ourselves. I can’t tell you the hours I’ve struggled over this issue and after I read what you wrote I really believe my struggle is over.

I will never know for certain what God’s ultimate thoughts are so all I can do is trust the ones He gave me and those thoughts are nothing but LOVE.  It’s been a very, very long time since I’ve been able to put down what the world expects me to think and to feel and I really want to thank you for being the catalyst that helped me land here. In the land of LOVE and peace where God planted me the day I was born.

I still come to Texas at least once a month. My dad, brother and my 2 boys are still there.  I hope to get to meet you very soon. I feel as though you are a brother God finally allowed me to meet. Someone He knew would melt my frozen heart.  I am so thankful I found you on your web page last year and added you as a “friend” on Facebook.

I am now taking away the quotations. You are truly considered a friend.”

That is such powerful stuff, and I can’t express how honored I am for her to have been so vulnerable and raw in her expressions of her struggle.

I do have to share one other comment that really struck me, and it was an oversight for me not to address this issue in my blog.  The issue of judgement.  However, so many pro-gay-marriage people spout that scripture “judge not lest ye be judged” that I didn’t want to play that card.  Still, this fan’s words are probably more appropriate to the issue than ANYTHING I wrote in my blog:

“I am a Christian woman. I study the Bible from the original manuscripts. (I try to follow the Levitical food laws, no pork or “scavengers” which makes it hard to be a foodie.) Without going into passages and in-depth study at this time, I would like to sum up one thing that “mainstream” Christians seem to miss. The Lord said, “Judge not, lest thou be judged.’ Check out St. Matthew 7.

This is not talking about courts and things of a legal nature. This is discussing how we treat our fellow man, and the point is, GOD is the judge. Not some some preacher, or a person who blindly sits in church believing everything some man or woman tells them for years on end, without delving into the Word themselves. (Pew potatoes.) There are people out there calling themselves Christians that give the rest of us a bad name.

If God feels something is wrong, He will deal with it in His time.

God doesn’t like it when people speak for him when they don’t know what they are talking about. People who say, “You’re gay so you’re going to hell” are putting themselves in a position of judgement. With God being the ultimate judge, how do you think He feels about this? He doesn’t like it! God knows what is in people’s hearts. Love is love, and we are supposed to love each other.

Regardless of how someone feels about a subject, they have no right to speak on God’s behalf.

As I mentioned in the previous blog, the verses most often used by those who condemn gay marriage are from the Old Testament, which, though it makes up the majority of the Bible, is studied delicately by the modern church because it advocates slavery, genocide, polygamy, etc.  But the strongest reference to homosexuality in the New Testament is from Paul in the first chapter of the book of Romans: “Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”

This verse is the biggest sword used against gay marriage, yet reading the ENTIRE chapter proves the folly of trying to pull single verses from the Bible and use them out of context.  For the chapter ends thusly:  “You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself…”

Paul’s reference to homosexuality wasn’t intended to be taken as a criticism of homosexuality.  He was describing one of several sets of people that the modern church was casting judgement upon.  The entire chapter is a lesson from Paul about judgement…not about homosexuality.  Yet a single verse pulled out of context from that chapter is used to judge and condemn homosexuals.  Ironic?

Ultimately, if you are a Christian, Christ’s message to you is to love your neighbor, love yourself, and love your God.  Leave the judgement of yourself and your neighbor to God.

Again…please share this post and comment below.  The conversation isn’t over!

37 responses to “Anniversary Follow Up”

  1. Denise Overcash Avatar
    Denise Overcash

    I agree on all of this Ben. I agree with the woman who started questioning her beliefs. I have as well but have found that I remain firm on one point. There is no room for hate where love dwells. I dont know that homosexuality is or is not a sin…I really dont care. I know that to love someone is not wrong so to say that being gay is wrong really puzzles me and actually confuses me. I think I understand the idiom from where that whole homosexuality is wrong comes from and was probably valid when it came about. The whole we needed to procreate to continue the species yes that makes sense. Does that make sense today? No We have done our job populating the earth. So whats the harm? Or the big deal. As long as no one is harmed then who cares. After all we are talking about love. Now I will admit going back to traditon and the marriage thing does/did have me a little puzzled. Just because of my getting a bit older and so used to absolute defined roles. I am sure it will all work out in the end. I have found that there are alot of stereo types in this world and discrimination abounds. There will never be peace as long as narrow minded fear and hate mongers abide. So we do our best. Ya know I feel that the whole Gay thing will work itself out far before the fat thing works itself out. Fat people have always been an easy mark and it is still accepted. Go figure. I just hope that we all get along before the second coming. A little peace would be nice. I will say as always Ben, I love everyone. So as always I will close with Hugs, take care and I hope to hear from you soon.

    1. Beth Hodge Avatar
      Beth Hodge

      ~ Hi Ben!!

      Well. If there’s ONE THING that God wants us to do: It’s to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Which is (obviously) the opposite of hate. Not only do I SUPPORT the rights of g, l, b& tg’s…. i LOVE them. Just like any other HUMAN BEING. (&let me tell y’all somethin’…. God will NOT tolerate hate in ANY SHAPE OR FORM!! So GET OVER IT!!! If you think you are feelin’ hate bc you are SO high& mighty or bc someone is ‘different’ than you…. Well, THINK AGAIN. God will NOT tolerate HATE. TRUST.) God wants us to use our better judgement when it comes to ‘folks’…. And Iiiiii believe that MY God is MUCH more liberal than a lot of Christians THINK ‘) Ben, please find the book “The Shack” and read it. It helps to break down the Trinity and what each part REALLY means….. What each part IS TO US .) In layman’s terms. It IS fiction, but a worthy read. We don’t HAVE to fear the WORLD, we have to fear God….. But God loves us and is really rooting for us, His children. Same as ANY parent would. We should never take Him for granted, but we should also KNOW HIS LOVE. HIS GRACE and His FORGIVENESS& offer the same thing to others. Period. He is much more tolerent than we might think .) We love ya, Ben!!!

  2. Jody Avatar

    To me, we’re not even just talking about judgment. I judge people all the time: I judge them to be bigots, asses, cruel, good, worthy, decent, indecent. What we’re talking about is LAW. Good ol’ American law, where my husband and I got married by a man who is not religious, in a place that was not religious, and nothing religious was mentioned once during our wedding. And our marriage is legal.

    That, alone, proves that the legality of gay marriage should not be in question. Quoting the Bible, agonizing over whether it’s what God wants, dealing with your own conflicts, having been raised in a religious household (as I was)–that’s all besides the point. The point is whether legal marriage should be allowed for any two single, consenting adults, as opposed to any two single, different-sex adults. Given that the ONLY arguments against it always seem to come down to religion, that seems to be pretty damned unconstitutional.

    I respect others’ rights to believe differently than me, to worship and celebrate differently, and even to judge me harshly for believing differently.That’s freedom, and that’s being human. But they didn’t get to force me to get married in a church, and mention God. So can we presume to invoke the name of Jesus and God in anyone else’s marriage?

    1. Ben Avatar

      Thanks for bringing things back into perspective, Jodi. This post is more about the Bible’s words on homosexuality, but the issue is whether or not gay marriage should be legal or illegal, and that is a question of legislation. If marriages can exist entirely outside the realm of the church, there’s no reason gay people shouldn’t be permitted to get married in the same way.

      1. Marie Breskic Avatar
        Marie Breskic

        Marriage in society and before the law, isn’t that simply two people who sign a document stating that they wish to be regarded as a family? I am a “conservative” Christian, not because I was raised to be one because I was not, but one thing that indeed is extremely godly is the freedom to choose and a society can never be forced into any kind of faith because faith is born in the heart of an individual when he or she chooses to invite it. Only then is it real and only then does it have any real value. In an open society I believe people should be able to choose who they want to call their family. If that is two men who grew up together, three women who are very dear friends, one man and his two wives or a woman and a man in love I feel should not be a concern of the state. Laws should be there to help us lead our lives according to our own convictions and not to dictate what to believe or with who we wish to be intimate and anyone who honestly has chosen to believe (as in trust) in Jesus cannot possibly feel threatened by that.

  3. eljay Avatar

    Thank you for sharing these responses! I went through a struggle similar to the woman in the first section, but thankfully, mine did not last so long. It started when I met my first gay friend at age 15 and ended when I met my second at 17. That second person has been like my brother for 20 years. I knew when I met him that he was a good, decent, kind person and through him, I could see that his “lifestyle” was not a choice. I also knew what I had been taught about homosexuality. Ultimately, the conclusion I came to was much like hers. I knew that God had placed him in my life, but at first I did not know why – to change him? save him? No, he needed neither of those things. I was just meant to love him and be loved by him and have my life enriched in ways no other person ever has. Well, that and use him as an example to those who were still blinded by the teachings of the frightened (like my mother, who has come around nicely, I might add). Through him, I could see that we were all God’s children. That we were all loved equally, regardless of color, sexuality, or even religious belief. Through him my mother, who also used to believe all the condemning words many churches teach, was able to reach a place in her life many years ago where she could say “I realized that maybe God thinks being gay is wrong and maybe He doesn’t, but being an adulterer made the top ten and being gay didn’t…”

    1. Tim Avatar

      That is a perfect statement from your mother. Awesome, eljay

      1. eljay Avatar

        I was very proud to be her daughter in that moment, I must say.

  4. Carrie M. Avatar
    Carrie M.

    Ben –

    Thank you for allowing all sides to be heard!

    First, I’ll just admit that I’m one of those who will contend that homosexuality is a choice. (Please, don’t hate. I’m not hating, just being honest.)

    This issue is probably just as near to my heart as yours is. As someone who will contend that it’s a choice, let me just say it’s not out of hatred, religion, fear or ignorance that I have come to that conclusion. Quite the opposite. What often grieves people in my boat is that because we are labelled as “homophobic” when we’re anything but. We tend not have gay friends because we will not 100% endorse what happens behind closed doors.

    At one point in time my closest friends were gay. As I developed my belief system I began to lose them because I started to not endorse what was going on behind close doors. It’s not that I didn’t care about *THEM*. I did care. I do care. I still pray for them and hope everything turns out OK even though they don’t want to talk to me.

    It’s not that I, or people like me, hate gays. We don’t. It grieves us that it’s almost impossible to break bread and enjoy friendship.

    The marriage debate, for my husband & I, rests solely on how much power the government has. We both think that the government should get the heck out of the business of regulating marriage. I didn’t realize how ridiculous the whole business of government & marriage was until I got married. Things finally clicked “Oh wait. A pastor has to sign a peace of paper that was issued by the state?! What? The STATE gets a final say in the validity of our marriage? Are you kidding!?”

    As someone who was a virgin until after the wedding ceremony, I must admit I had a little hang up about things for the first few days. My inner dialogue went something like this: “But we don’t have the official marriage license yet? Are we really married? The pastor DID say ‘What God has joined together, let no man tear assunder.’ So, why can’t we have the real marriage license yet?”

    When it comes to marriage regulation, I can understand why Christians get upset about it. At the same time, this society is not a theocracy. Nor should it be an aim. A theocratic society is not one under which freedom flourishes.

    That’s my $.02

    1. Ben Avatar

      Carrie, thank you SO MUCH for your honesty and courage to be open here on my blog. When I contend that being gay is not a choice, it is because I was born gay. I knew I was gay before I even entered kindergarten. I knew I was gay a decade before I understood what sex was. I could no more choose to be heterosexual, than you could suddenly choose to be emotionally and sexually attracted to women. No one “chooses” to be gay. They may choose to partner with a member of the same sex, because they’ve fallen in love with them. But no human in the history of the earth has decided, “I’m going to be gay instead of straight.” That has never happened. Not once. People are born gay. God makes them that way, or Satan enters the spirit of the child before he is born…that’s really the only way to look at it from a Christian perspective. Sexuality is not a choice. It is as much in my nature to be gay as it is in your nature to be straight. Trust me…if I could have chosen to be heterosexual, I TOTALLY WOULD HAVE.

      1. M86 Avatar
        M86

        Agree with Ben… Why would anyone choose to be gay? Yes, I choose to be with someone of the same sex, but did I choose my sexual attractions? Of course not. I spent a few years dating women, thinking I would change. I didn’t. And trust me, I tried everything to try to be straight. You just can’t change it.

    2. Tim Avatar

      Carrie,

      Thank you for showing another side. You have such an interesting take on the subject, and one that makes sense on paper, to a point. For you to reveal that you have an endorsement at all of anyone’s private business is puzzling to me. With your close heterosexual friends, their private activities have no bearing on who they are to you, lest they choose to include you in them. If it is your concern over the nature of the acts committed in the privacy of your friends’ home, please understand that how people choose to act to the faces of their friends and who they are behind closed doors are two things that may not always match up. Until the day that someone includes you as a confidente in the activities of their bedroom, which let’s be honest happens rarely to never, there is no endorsement to give, other than one based on what you assume to be happening. That doesn’t really hold water.
      The flipside to the scenario of the outwardly vanilla straight addition to the heteronorm is what you believe in the mind to be going on in the bedrooms of various gay couples around the globe. Here’s the thing: Anything you think of that defines homosexuality in your mind is virtually indistinguishable from what happens with most straight people- couples, singles, families. There are ups, downs, triumphs, sadnesses, but most of all, it’s nothing straight people haven’t done before. 99 times out of 100, I’d venture, just like most straight couples, the gay ones are simply trying to be, wanting to not even be an example of everything that can be good about being gay (love, friendship, solidarity- all traits that can be applied to m/f relationships), but simply wanting to be. Be accepted. Be loved. Be able to love the person they choose.
      Truth? Most gay couples are as boring as yours, mine, and most people’s. Once you decode the mystery of the gay relationship, aside from how much more fun they seem to have at parties what with spectacular food and wine, there’s just as much sitting around in pajamas eating French Fries and watching Dateline as there is for me and my lady.
      If you’re willing to give less than your “100% endorsement” of your former friends who are gay because of how they live, allow yourself to examine your straight friends using the same yardstick. If you are unwilling to do that, please think about the reason behind your hesitation, and use that hesitation to re-examine your endorsement against homosexuality.

    3. Gregory Wright Avatar

      Carrie…

      Brave of you to post your opinions. Thank you. I am very curious as to WHY you believe homosexuality to be a CHOICE. I can’t CHOOSE to love my family, I just do. I can’t CHOOSE to dislike mosquitos, I just do. I suppose one could choose not to act upon ones sexual preferences, but one would still be heterosexual or homosexual. So I would love to hear your reasoning. Not to back you into a corner and put you on the spot, I just would like to understand your perspective better.

      1. Carrie M. Avatar
        Carrie M.

        First off – Ben, thank you for not yelling at me! I get that some people are just not “turned on” by the opposite gender. With that fact “out there”, I will still contend that sexuality is a choice. Again, I’m not hating. I think you’re a great and talented person. I’m glad that you have friends and family that support you. I’m thankful you have relationships that build you up rather than tear you down.

        Now to Gregory. . .

        Gregory asked “Brave of you to post your opinions. Thank you. I am very curious as to WHY you believe homosexuality to be a CHOICE. I can’t CHOOSE to love my family, I just do. I can’t CHOOSE to dislike mosquitos, I just do. I suppose one could choose not to act upon ones sexual preferences, but one would still be heterosexual or homosexual. So I would love to hear your reasoning. Not to back you into a corner and put you on the spot, I just would like to understand your perspective better.”

        I don’t believe “homosexuality” specifically is a choice. I contend sexuality is a choice. To be perfectly blunt, my husband and I have a running joke: “If you touch something long enough it starts to feel good”. It’s in that context that I’ll maintain sexuality is a choice. (Oh, and let’s leave rape out of this. I’ve never been raped, so I’m not going to go there.)

        I have concluded that all of life is a choice. I do choose to love my family. I make conscious choices when it comes to forgiveness (and there has been A. LOT. of forgiving I’ve had to do.) I choose to love my husband when he’s being a not nice person (and vice versa). I hold to this conclusion so firmly that I’ve never used the phrase “fall in love” because I don’t understand what that phrase is supposed to mean. I’ve asked a variety of people what it means and I’ve yet to get a decent answer. Usually, I just get stared at when I ask.

        This article has been making the rounds on my FB newsfeed: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/08/6065

        Thank you all for not yelling at me, calling me a hater or any of that nasty stuff that doesn’t lead to intelligent and compassionate discourse. It’s much appreciated and gives me hope that maybe we are making strides as a society. I’m just trying to give the “other side” of the issue. The side that prays for our gay friends and wants good things for them when so many people will say we’re hating. Hating means we want them to die. And we most certainly do not want that!

        1. Gregory Wright Avatar

          Thanks for the link. Very interesting, but sad what the author endured by so many. Being different, regardless of what type of different you are can be very tough. I’m not sure your definition of HATING is the same as most peoples. Hating isn’t about wanting anyone to die. It about disliking someone or something because you disagree with them or it. It’s mean spirited criticism intended to inflict sadness. And I’m not saying you are a hater. You are obviously a spiritual and caring individual. Are you praying for your gay friends in the same manner you pray for your non-gay friends? Or are you praying for them to go straight? I don’t think you and I will ever see eye to eye of this idea of CHOICE in any regard. And that’s okay. We’re clearly very different. Thanks for indulging all our questions.

    4. eljay Avatar

      Carrie, I respect that you have your beliefs and that they totally differ from my own, but I have some questions about the things you’re saying. If your belief that homosexuality is a choice does not come from “hatred, religion, fear or ignorance” from whither does it arise? What is it about homosexuality that so offends you that you are unable to break bread with someone you claim to love as a friend if they identify as such? On what is that belief based? Also, please do me a favor and choose to be a lesbian for the next 15 minutes. You can go back to being hetero after that, but for 15 minutes, please choose to be gay and report back to me what it is like to desire women. I’d also like you to please tell me what it was like for you as a child when you chose to be straight originally. You may think I am being facetious or confrontational, but this a totally genuine request and I would make it of anyone who believes being gay is a choice. Because I have tried and, frankly, I can’t do it. I didn’t choose to be straight, I was born straight. To paraphrase Ben, long before I knew what sex was, I was drawn to boys, I knew I liked boys, it was never a question, NOT EVER. If homosexuality is a choice, then in theory anyone, at any time, can choose to be gay. I know that I cannot choose to be gay myself, therefore, I cannot conceive of it being a choice. Think of it another (admittedly simplistic) way. A waiter gives you the option of mashed potatoes or french fries with your meal. Nutritionally, these two items are about equal. The only factor in your answer is which of the two you WANT. You aren’t choosing to want one or the other, you have no conscious influence over whether to desire one or the other. Your body and mind respond to the one they want.

      1. Carrie M. Avatar
        Carrie M.

        “If your belief that homosexuality is a choice does not come from “hatred, religion, fear or ignorance” from whither does it arise?”

        Experience. I watched several friends come out of the closet. I had the hard conversations when we were all teenagers and we were all told to “follow your heart”. There were things I never questioned back then because I didn’t think they ought to be questioned.

        The one boyfriend I had as a teenager broke up with me because he was questioning his sexuality (although that came out about 18 months after the break up). He’s the one that chose to make out with me. I didn’t pressure him. Quite frankly, I would have been OK if we didn’t kiss for awhile. I was only 14. I liked *him* and enjoyed holding his hand. It was all choices he made.

        “What is it about homosexuality that so offends you that you are unable to break bread with someone you claim to love as a friend if they identify as such? ” I don’t break bread with someone based on their sexuality. I’m unable to break bread with friends I used to have because they have chosen not to be friends with me. I’m willing to talk, but if I’m backed into a corner I won’t endorse what they do behind closed doors. There have been a couple of times I’ve been the only straight person in the room. I’m totally OK with that.

        “You can go back to being hetero after that, but for 15 minutes, please choose to be gay and report back to me what it is like to desire women. I’d also like you to please tell me what it was like for you as a child when you chose to be straight originally”

        Heh. Yeah, if only sexuality was that easy. And remember, I’m married. If I were to desire anyone else other than my spouse, that’s adultery. So, the 15 minute experiment is null and void. In the comment I submitted before this, everything has been a very conscious choice for me. I’ve never understood being “turned on” by someone that doesn’t belong to you. Yes, I had infatuations, but that was only longing for someone that didn’t belong to me.

        1. eljay Avatar

          “If only sexuality was that easy” – You’re the one who said it was a choice. I don’t think it would be productive for me to continue debating this with you. Circular logic cannot be argued against with any success. If you truly aren’t making decisions out of ignorance and fear, then read about David Reimer and see if that alters your perspective at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

        2. Gregory Wright Avatar

          Carrie, I have to say that you aren’t really answering the question when it comes to why you believe homosexuality to be a choice. Maybe it’s not something you can put into words the rest of us can understand. Homosexuality and Heterosexuality aren’t simply about the physical. It’s about the EMOTIONAL connection one has to another human being. And you really can’t choose to NOT have an emotional connection to another human being. The heart wants what it wants. You can choose not to act PHYSICALLY, but emotionally, you can’t. I do have to respect you for responding, even though I really don’t understand where you are coming from.

  5. Gregory Wright Avatar

    I was discussing this very thing with a friend the other day. Reading these opinions from devout Christians is wonderful. Proof that a religion can’t define a person’s beliefs fully and there is room for all. As someone who doesn’t subscribe to any one religion, I’ve never taken any of the so-called RULES the Bible spells out seriously. They are constantly being interpreted in divergent ways. And, for me, they are words written by men, not the word of God. And taking a note from the highlighted passage above, “Regardless of how someone feels about a subject, they have no right to speak on God’s behalf.” Wouldn’t this include those writing the Bible? I respect everyone’s right to believe and worship however they choose. But I get infuriated over folks quoting (or rather, MISQUOTING) the Bible as an excuse to spew bigotry and hate. Regardless of what religion you follow, it’s all about love and understanding.

  6. Tim Avatar

    “This verse is the biggest sword used against gay marriage, yet reading the ENTIRE chapter proves the folly of trying to pull single verses from the Bible and use them out of context. For the chapter ends thusly: “You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself…”

    Wow. In all the years of reading and hearing bible verses, quotings, and other points of scripture bandied about to promote a cause, this is the first time that I’ve recognized something as a realistic parable or commentary. Despite the fact that in one eye it’s seen as the word of God, taken and internalized, one can almost see the absurdity of the picture it paints.

    In literature, if you take it at face value, a story is a story. Gregor Samsa is simply a bug. That talking livestock from Charlotte’s Web becomes interchangeable with Boxer, Napoleon, Snowball. Talking animals are funny, aren’t they?

    Gulliver is a not simply a tiny man in a giant’s world.

    To deny one’s self the introspection through literary analysis is to leave the mind unconditioned. I love that those who have been conditioned to think one way, on the side of an unaccepting congregation going with the literal meaning of passages of a book, have now been opened up to make the decision of compassion and love through your message. I love that it comes across as “I once believed, but now, I know this in my heart to be right.”

    To that, I say Amen, and to you, once again, I say thank you. Your words affect change.

  7. Christina Avatar
    Christina

    Ben, I have to tell you, you’ve made me think about this in a whole new way. I have always believed that even if you do not agree with what someone chooses to do, that does not mean you should hate that person. One thing people seem to miss in the Bible is the verse that says that no sin is worse than any other. In society, we certainly believe that murder and lying are two different things and murder is much worse. But both are listed in the 10 Commandments. I know I’ve lied before, and I’ve cursed, and done many other things that are sins, and so I have no right to be judging anyone else’s sins. I’ll be honest, I do think homosexuality is a sin. But, one of my longest and best friends is gay, and I treat him the exact same today as I did the day before I found out. He’s still Jason, and I still love him for being Jason. I have so much respect for you, and love reading things you post. You have so much enthusiasm for the world around you, and it’s captivating to read about. If you are ever near Springfield MO, I’d love to have lunch with you. 🙂 People focus way too much on what someone is, instead of who they are. I’ve dealt with rude people because I have darker skin (I’m Italian, so I tan easily). I have two little cousins who are twins, and they are mixed, and one is darker than the other. You would be shocked at some of the comments I’ve heard about them and their mom. If people could just stop looking on the outside, and focus on what’s inside people’s hearts and minds, they would be happier themselves I think, along with making other people happy. As far as gay marriage, I’ll admit I’m still torn. It doesn’t actually say in the bible that marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman. The only thing it does say is when referring to pastors and deacons, it says that they are supposed to be the husband of one wife. So, I think, as long as you aren’t trying to be a pastor or deacon, that you should be able to marry whomever you love. I would love to hear from you though, if you have any other input to this. I’m from a strict Baptist background, so I haven’t had a lot of differing views.

  8. Ankylosaur Avatar
    Ankylosaur

    While I certainly find these messages moving and I am glad people can see a way around their religion’s prevailing bigotry I take a few exceptions. The first stems from the 1st message in which she says “…I can’t help but question everything I’ve ever known.” If she had truly questioned everything she had ever known she’d question why she “went to Jesus”. A man that we are not sure even ever existed to begin with. Even if he did there were many similar “messiah” prophets around the same period. If he did all these wonderful things why are there no reliable extra biblical accounts of this man? She could simply look for herself(which is ultimately what she really did), empathize and see the correct answer.

    The second issue was with the second writer where she says “This is discussing how we treat our fellow man, and the point is, GOD is the judge.” Well if you read the old testament literally(which she must if she is following the dietary laws) god wants you to expedite them getting judged by him. Because the punishment for almost anything in the OT is death. Unruly child? Stone them to death. Picking up sticks on the sabbath? Death. Most of us now have our modern sensibilities and we know this is outrageous and anyone who attempted such a thing would be locked up for life or worse. But according that that text you would be ordered to do so.

    I don’t want to rant or down play the wonderful sentiment contained in these testimonies. They are truly touching. But I wanted to bring this up.

    Hope to see you on your own show soon Ben!

  9. canarygirl Avatar

    Yes! First of all I can’t believe I missed the anniversary post–I’m going to have to go and read it–but you have so eloquently put into words what my beliefs have been forever. Who are we to put words in God’s mouth, anyway? The entire chapter is a lesson from Paul about judgement…not about homosexuality.” It is completely ironic that so many have utterly missed the point. And Tim is right, your words DO affect change. I feel so blessed to know you, Ben.

  10. M86 Avatar
    M86

    Being a gay man, I have really distanced myself from religion and the church. I find many people my age doing the same (gay, straight, everything). I don’t associate with anything that promotes hate. I consider myself agnostic… I have a lot of questions, but the way some religions are promoting hate (which is hypocritical) is a big turn off to the younger generation.

  11. Petri Avatar
    Petri

    While I agree that gays should be allowed to get married (I’m not going too deep into that anymore, I think everything’s been said by now), I am a bit baffled by all the religion when talking about a political issue. I guess it’s just an american thing, but can you really get a law changed by quoting bible even there? Or would you absolutely require the approval of the church in order to get married? My thinking is that it was church that first condemned gays, so a better approach would be not as gay christians, but as free-thinking, modern people. I’ve always felt that people who are against homosexuality are just stuck a few hundred years in the past. No one can rationally argue that homosexuality is wrong, and that you should be punished for it, not with all the facts that we have in this day and age. I dare anyone to give me a single argument against gays without quoting bible.

    And no, I’m not against religion, nor am I suggesting atheism for you :P. I’m just wondering if your approach to the issue is the most logical. Then again, I’m not american, so maybe you’ve got it all right.. I’m from Finland, and even here gays can’t get married.. it’s one of the few big issues I have. We may be #3 in the world as far as gender equality goes (we were the first to give women the vote!), but when it comes to homosexual rights we’re still in the dark ages.

    I’m sure the day will come when you’ll have the rights you deserve. I just hope it won’t take too long.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Petri, my religious beliefs are not public knowledge…I don’t discuss them with ANYONE. I was, however, educated at a Christian university, so I am well-equipped to discuss matters of the Bible with Christians.

      The ONLY argument against gay marriage is religious in nature. There is no other argument presented. And while the whole “separation of church and state” can be argued in courts, most Christians do not TRULY support the separation of church and state, though they may claim to publicly. (Which is why it’s been so difficult to elect any President that’s not a Protestant since the country was founded.) Like it or not, we are still living in an age where our government is largely religiously-driven, and the vast majority of American voters make their voting decisions based on spiritual beliefs. And while I don’t have any practical knowledge of Finland’s government or votership, I think you’ll find that the reason gay marriage is not legal in Finland is ALSO for religious reasons. (What other reason could there possibly be?)

      So NO debate about gay marriage can take place without addressing the religious implications, because without them, there is no debate. And as long as the majority of the world’s citizens remain religious, no Democratic government will ever be truly secular.

  12. Leah McLaughlin Avatar
    Leah McLaughlin

    Carrie-

    I don’t think your gay friends are requesting that you “endorse what goes behind closed doors.” I know I’m not looking for anyone to endorse what I do in my bedroom. I think your friends simply want you to accept them as they are. I may not necessarily agree with all my friends’ and family members’ choices, but I still accept and love them for who they are, and they do the same for me. After all, isn’t that really the core of our existence? To be accepted for who we are, both the good and the “bad”? Trust me, I went through a long period where it seemed no one could accept me for me, and I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone.

  13. Michael Chen Avatar

    That first person’s comment was the best thing I’ve read in a while. Well shared! That’s what sharing stories like yours and (hopefully) one day mine is all about. It’s not to judge, to convince, or to argue but ultimately to share and educate so that ignorance can no longer be an excuse.

  14. Sarah Avatar
    Sarah

    The Jewish Theological Seminary, the guiding religious authority for Conservative Jews, began ordaining gay clergy and performing gay marriages a few years ago. The Reform and Reconstructionist movements recognized gay marriage and ordained gay clergy even earlier. I mention this because, as a practicing Conservative Jew, I observe many of the rules of Leviticus, including Kashruth. I also believe, as a Conservative Jew, that the Old Testament provides dozens of examples where people are encouraged to argue with G-d, that the bible is open to continuous interpretation based on modern circumstances, and that the verse prohibiting a man from lying with a man like he would a woman refers to acts of humiliation or forbidden cult acts, not loving acts between consensual adults. I firmly believe that the goal of any religion should be providing a framework for treating other people with respect and consideration. While, having been raised a Jew, I have theological difficulties with aspects of Christianity, I think the Moravian Church put things beautifully: In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, diversity, in all things, love.

    On a personal note, if I can get married, and later divorced, to a non-Jewish man in a civil ceremony performed by a non-denominational minister who happened to have been raised Jewish, how could I ever possibly object to two people who care deeply for each other wanting to get married.

  15. Emily Grace Avatar
    Emily Grace

    Ben, I have appreciated your remarks on what has proven to be a controversial and deeply personal subject. In particular, it is inspiring to see you navigate this topic with grace, care and love, regardless of the beliefs held by different individuals. One of the painful aspects of this debate in other forums has been to watch has been the blazing hatred that has occurred in both camps against each other. This only gives evidence that it might be human nature to despise what is different. Instead, you have encouraged choosing to love and have open communication. It is less important to agree and more important to lay hatred aside.

    I do hope to see in the near future a greater political freedom in choosing a life partner, however I do feel that the spiritual union is what matters most. This union is something that no governing body can give or take away.

    Thank you for demonstrating love and understanding and I wish you and Christian a belated, but very happy anniversary.

  16. Nick Avatar
    Nick

    Ben, I commend you on living a life of love and peace. We should all strive to live such a life. I am glad for the joy you have found in the loved one you share your life with, and I sincerely wish you continued happiness and joy, even if I don’t agree with your lifestyle choices. Even so, you would still have a place at my table, an open invitation into my house and my church. Even though many same-sex marriage supporters would have people believe that anyone who opposes same-sex marriage is an angry hater of gays and lesbians, that is simply not true. I have absolutely no anger, resentment or ill-will towards gays and lesbians. I have many friends and family members who are gay and I adore them dearly as they have shown me nothing but love.
    What I do take issue with in your blog, is in your attempt to use Jesus, and “your view” of Jesus, to convince Christians and people in general that they should accept same-sex marriage, as Jesus would have done, according to “your view” of Jesus. You are not the only one who has attempted to do this, but I figured Christians and non-Christians deserve to know that your biblical argument is flawed and incorrect. If you are a Christian Ben, and I believe you claimed to be, then you are part of a group of Christians I call “Selective Christians”. These are Christians that take it upon themselves to pick and choose which parts of the bible and which of Jesus’ teachings they want to believe and/or follow. Selective Christians do this so that they may justify some of their life choices and actions, which would otherwise be contrary to the ways and teachings of Jesus and to the laws of our God. A true Christian believes that the entire bible is the word of God, the breath of God, and he/she strives to understand its meaning with the help of the Holy Ghost. He/she does not throw parts of the bible out because it is convenient to ignore, or because it makes it easier to justify their lifestyle or life choices.

    My counter argument below is not meant to convince you or anyone else whether this country should allow same-sex marriage or not. It is not meant to address whether being gay or lesbian is right or wrong, whether it is a choice or genetics. My argument is simply meant to establish that there is NO biblical argument that can be made that will ever justify that the word marriage is for anything else other than the union between a man and a woman. My argument is meant to speak for all of those Christians, who rightfully and faithfully believe in the teachings of the bible as it relates to marriage, and because of their FAITH, refuse to be persuaded to change their belief about the definition of marriage. My argument is meant to empower those Christians to continue to believe and have faith, because the bible, the foundation of their life, is absolutely clear on what marriage is, and what it is not.

    So let’s examine Ben Starr’s flawed argument:

    Ben States: “Perhaps the most common argument against gay marriage is that marriage is a religious institution. More than 3/4ths of Americans identify themselves as Christian, whether they are affiliated with a church or not. Yet we permit Muslims, Buddhists, and even atheists to marry, provided they are of opposite genders.”

    Marriage is a religious institution in the sense that God made a woman from a man and for a man, as stated in Genesis 2:22-24 “Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, “this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man.” For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.” Ben tries to argue “how can marriage be a religious institution if we allow Muslims, Buddhists and even atheists to marry, provided they are of the opposite genders.” Well, I invite you to find a place in the bible that says that marriage is only for Christians, or only for people who believe in God for that matter. As a matter of fact, read Corinthians 7:1-16 “If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband.” Clearly the bible tells us that even marriage between believers and unbelievers is allowed. Guess what the bible also tells us in EVERY single passage that refers to marriage: That marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN. It tells us this without ANY ambiguity. Here are a few bible verses you can go read that talk about marriage. You will see that they ALL refer to the union, marriage, as being between a MAN and a WOMAN.

    Genesis 2:22-24, Proverbs 5:18-19, Proverbs 12:4, Proverbs 18:22, Proverbs 19:14, Proverbs 20:6-7, Proverbs 30:18-19, Proverbs 31:10, Deuteronomy 24:5, Matthew 19:4-6, Corinthians 7:1-16, Ephesians 5:22-23, Colossians 3:18-19, Hebrews 13:4-7, Mark 10:6-9

    Ben States: “And while the current translation of the Bible may, indeed, condemn homosexuality, ANY legitimate Biblical scholar will tell you they are quite dubious about how accurately those passages are translated.”

    This one is just WISHFUL thinking. Yes there are some words that might have been translated with slightly different content, but please find me “ANY legitimate Biblical scholar” that has made an argument that the word ABOMINATION, as translated in Leviticus 18:22, has ANY other meaning other than to CLEARLY declare that (for a man) to lie with another man as they would with a woman is an aberration of the natural law, ergo, an abomination. I think we can all agree that this translation is quite clear.

    Ben then tries to argue that we should let go of our belief that homosexuality is wrong and sinful, since it is only that very old antiquated book, called the Old Testament, which condemns homosexuality and not the New Testament, and certainly not Jesus. Thus, because Jesus never addressed homosexuality directly, it has to be ok to be a homosexual, and thus to enter into a same-sex marriage. Ben States: “Regardless, the majority of what the Bible has to say about gay people is from the Old Testament. The New Testament has far fewer references to gay people, and Jesus never spoke a word about it.”

    Perhaps Ben neglected to read the words of Jesus himself as memorialized in Matthew 19:4-6, when Jesus replies to the Pharisees “”Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” Here we clearly see a few incredibly important scriptural truths. One, Jesus invokes word for word the scripture from Genesis, yes a book from the Old Testament. Jesus uses this scripture, to use Ben’s own words, to wield it as a dagger in favor of his cause. Jesus had every intention to wield this passage to make it clear to the Pharisees that what has been written is, even in the Old Testament, the word of God. Since Ben is so big in trying to point out that if Jesus didn’t specifically mention homosexuality, that itself is clear evidence that he accepts it, it is worth noting that Jesus NEVER mentioned that marriage is between two men or two women, or anyone other than a man and a woman. When Jesus does address marriage; he clearly ratifies earlier scripture by re-stating that marriage is between a man and a woman. Ben tries to argue that the Old Testament is just that, Old, but here you see that Jesus himself validates the Old Testament scripture as the word of God, the law of God. And though it is true, and Ben is correct, that Jesus came to the world to break with the old covenant and make a new covenant, this refers to some of the old traditions of making offerings (sacrifices) to God, in order to receive forgiveness for the sins committed. Because God gave us his one and only begotten son, the old ways of receiving forgiveness were no longer needed. Jesus blood was the new and ultimate sacrifice made by God himself, for us, to forgive all our sins, if we believe in His Son, Jesus. This, by NO means, changes what God considers to be Sin. Jesus came to show us to LOVE everyone, even the sinners. Jesus loved the sinners, but Jesus always hated the Sin.

    Ben states: “Jesus spent his time with the outcasts of society. He dined with prostitutes and placed his hands on people afflicted with leprosy. He preached inclusion and love.

    Again I say to you, Jesus loved everyone. Jesus loved even the sinners, but he hated the sin. Jesus believed that those who were sinners, were the ones that needed to be showed even more love, but it was always so that THROUGH love and mercy, the sinner would see themselves and renounce their sin. In Matthew 9:10-12 Jesus goes to Matthew’s house, a tax collector, and there he does sit and have dinner with other tax collectors and “sinners.” Ben would have you believe that this kind of act clearly shows that Jesus wants to simply love everyone and wants us to do the same in turn. Or does he? Let’s read further into that passage and see why Jesus’ sought out these sinners. After being questioned by the Pharisees as to why Jesus would dine with sinners, Jesus replies: “Those who are well have no need for a physician, but those who are SICK. I came NOT to call the righteous, but sinners. Jesus wanted to show love to the sinners so that they would repent, and see the light, and leave their sin behind.

    Here is another example. John 8:1-11. People bring an adulterer to Jesus and asked him if they should not follow the law of Moses and stone her to death. To this Jesus replies “If any of you be without sin, let him cast the first stone.” Everyone leaves and Jesus tells the sinner woman, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” She answers no and Jesus says “Then neither do I condemn you. Go now and LEAVE your life of SIN.” A few things that are key about this passage. One; it does illustrate that Jesus came to show us a new approach to deal with sinners, through love, compassion and embrace, and not through judgment, just as Ben states. But note that by no means does loving sinners mean that Jesus accepts their sin (nor does he want Christians to either). Jesus himself clearly tells the woman, “Go and leave your life of sin.” Jesus wanted that woman (and everyone) to understand that he was showing her mercy and compassion, in spite of her sins, in hopes that after seeing that mercy, she would walk away from her life of sin.

    Again on Luke 7:36-50, Jesus forgives a prostitute who, with much love for Jesus, washed his feet with tears and perfume and dried his feet with her hair. Jesus tells Simon a parable, essentially telling him, who would love their master more, a person who was forgiven a huge debt or one who was forgiven a small debt. Jesus used this parable to illustrate that he was seeking to forgive those with the greatest sins, for by showing them great mercy and forgiveness, they would see his love and love him in return, and repent for their sins. Jesus told the prostitute “Your sins are forgiven. Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” These passages show that Jesus’ purpose and intention is to forgive sin, but forgiveness requires repentance (turning away from sin) and faith (obedience).

    Ben then addresses the Chick-Fil-A controversy and states “I am infinitely more fascinated by the Christians who have risen up in support of Chick-Fil-A over this issue, and who went out to support them by buying chicken sandwiches and marching in front of stores. Is that what Jesus would have done? Picked up a sign and marched in support of exclusion and separation?”

    First let me say how hypocritical Ben is that he didn’t address the group of people that went to Chick-Fil-A to boycott them, to protest them, to show their public displays of affection as a way to try to rebel against the company. Oh it’s ok for one side of an issue to voice their opinion publicly, but not for the other side to voice theirs? Why? Because they are Christian’s and should take the higher road? I don’t have time to illustrate to you the numerous amounts of times in the bible where God commanded his followers to take, even arms, against sinners and governments who would push immorality on his chosen people. But to give you one example of Jesus himself standing up to what is right, please read Matthew 21:12 “And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and OVERTHREW THE TABLES of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves.” Ben, stop trying to convince people of your version of Jesus. Jesus loved sinners, but hated the sin. Jesus would show love and mercy to every homosexual, but would in a second tell them, Go and SIN NO MORE!

    I have absolutely no hatred towards homosexuals. I have, as you mention, many gay friends and even family members, and I have been as sweet and loving to them as I am to any other friend and family member. I would never close the doors of my house or my hospitality to anyone because they are gay. On the contrary, I do try to live by what Jesus really came to teach us…. Love Everyone and love those who sin greatly even more, because it is them who are the sick and need our love and compassion the most, in hopes that they see Jesus’ love through us, and come to love the Lord and REPENT, and TURN AWAY from sin, and be obedient to his word and his moral laws. As you can see, not once in my entire argument did I show anger towards homosexuals, or hatred or intolerance? I simply used the Word of God to illustrate to you that your views of the Bible, the Old Testament and of Jesus are incorrect, and that your attempt to try to convince Christians to give up the fight against same-sex marriage because that is what “your inclusion Jesus” would have wanted, is simply fundamentally flawed, wrong and untrue. True Christians can see through these flawed biblical arguments made by proponents of same-sex marriage, because we actually try to live by the Word of God and truly try to learn what the bible is meant to teach us. My Pastor says it almost every Sunday, “love thy neighbor, love everyone, but especially love those who sin and sin greatly. Open the doors for this church and let them know THEY ARE WELCOMED, for this is akin to a hospital and they are the ones that need it the most.” That is what Jesus meant to teach us. Love one another, open your doors to sinners and show them the love and mercy of God so that they too may come to know and love the Lord and follow His teachings, His laws and his ways.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Thanks for your very detailed reply. Unfortunately, I’m in the desert at the moment about to journey 2000 miles home, so I don’t have the time to address every one of your points. But I wanted to approve your comment because you had posted a terse comment earlier about me deleting you, which is incorrect…all comments have to be approved, and I haven’t had internet for 12 days.

      The first thing I have to address is the word “abomination.” Any Biblical scholar will tell you that the English translation of this word carries far more weight than the original Hebrew term…the same word is used throughout the Bible for a variety of innocuous things, including the existence of insects and birds of prey and shellfish (Lev 11). In the time in which the Old Testament was written, this “abomination” related more to something that was taboo for a certain tribe. It didn’t carry the kind of weight that we associate with the English word “abomination.”

      I have not ever claimed that I am a Christian. My spirituality is a VERY private matter, I do not discuss it with ANYONE. I am open to my fan base about the fact that I was raised in a Christian family and was educated at a Christian university, therefore I feel that I can adequately discuss the issue of homosexuality and Christianity.

      I STRONGLY caution Christians who “selectively” wield scriptures as you do in this response. You say that it’s un-Christian for Christians to selectively ignore parts of the Bible…yet ALL Christians do, including yourself. If we all followed strict Levitical law, we would be permitted to stone our children and our wives to death for disobedient behavior…we would be permitted to keep slaves…we would be unclean if we embraced menstruating friends. Women would not be permitted to speak aloud in church.

      The Bible is an antiquated document that, while it may have roots in the word of God, exists in a man-created medium: language. Even the Bible itself was assembled by the atheist emperor, Constantine, who selectively chose books and pointed translations in such a way as to give himself maximum control over the church and his own empire. To claim that man has not dramatically influenced this written word of God is foolish and completely inaccurate.

      Therefore, it is INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS to draw verse-specific lessons, and even more dangerous to draw verse-specific attacks. A responsible Christian uses exegesis to understand the Bible’s message. He attempts to understand the historical context of Biblical events and lessons. He attempts to understand the greater meaning of the Bible as a whole, and the message of Christ to his people. Which was…love everyone, love your God, love yourself.

      By writing messages like this, you do more harm than you realize. You alienate. You drive people AWAY from Christ. Away from the church. Perhaps you are saving your own soul, but you aren’t doing much to save others. Love, inclusion, tolerance, acceptance are the tools a successful Christian uses to spread the word of Christ. Jesus lived in a very different time than we did. Yet he was effective. If you wish to be an effective tool for evangelism, you must, like Jesus, spread the Word in a way that is effective in the time in which you live.

      The “best” Christians I know are those who emulate the life of Jesus. They love everyone. They don’t criticize. They don’t judge. They simply try to life their life the way Christ would have. And their life is the example. The lesson. Not Bible verses they throw like daggers.

      If you want to spread the love and joy of Christ, you can’t throw the Bible at people who don’t give it any credence in the first place. Live your life as a shining example, and everyone around you will wonder why you are so happy and fulfilled. They will ask questions. They will be impacted.

      But the Bible is YOUR tool to understand how God wants YOU to live YOUR life. Not a tool for you to use to point out why others are not living upright lives. The Bible will NEVER be an effective tool toward non-Christians, because they don’t believe it any more than they believe it is any more true than Cinderella or Moby Dick.

      God is the judge. You are his child. The child of the judge is never in a position to judge. To condemn.

      I believe the Christian’s job is to love and accept everyone. Never to chastise or attack, and most certainly never ever ever EVER to pass judgement. Never to alienate.

      You must live your Christian life according to your own terms, of course, but if you’d like to take people to heaven with you, your tactics may need a bit of adjustment, because they turn people away from Christ instead of toward him.

      Using the Bible, verse by verse, to judge others is very, very, very much against the teachings of Christ.

  17. Katie Avatar
    Katie

    I try incredibly hard not to judge others by their appearances or their sexual orientations, in this case. But, I thought it might be interesting to bring up a point my Nana made one day during lunch. She is, quite frankly, racist, age-ist, intolerant, and in my opinion ignorant because of her inability to accept any one else’s opinions (don’t get me wrong, I love my Nana, but she can be frustrating *sigh*). At this particular meal we somehow got onto the topic of gay marriage and after Nana endured about two and a half minutes of my sister’s and my pro-gay outlooks she quite literally burst into tears. She proceeded to explain to us about how scared she was that we were going to go to hell, and how she was scared that if she accepted homosexuals and their sexuality, she would go to hell, too! Now, I have a hard time even considering this opinion since the churches that I grew up in consistantly preached that Jesus died for our sins, and as long as we accept him into our heart as our saviour, we’re guaranteed a spot at the table of God in Heaven. However, this is was not the upbringing my Nana recieved. She grew up in the fire and brimstone everything-you-do-will-be-judged-and-God’s-wrath-will-be-unleashed-upon-your-wretched-soul churches of the 1930’s and 40’s, so while I don’t think her fears are rational, I can totally understand and accept them!

    I think the train runs both ways. We need to understand everyone’s perspectives if we are going to make any kind of an educated opinion on the matter, but most importantly, we need to LOVE everyone, even if we don’t agree with some people or think that they’re offensive or ignorant or whatever.

  18. Miki Avatar
    Miki

    Ben, you’re one of the people that make me want to believe again in a God that cares. I gave up on faith in religion a long time because I’ve had bad times in the church my family went to and I’m quite tired of super conservative ideas that stem from ages old beliefs. Those that advocate these beliefs somehow have a powerful presence in my mind and I’ve constantly pushed further and further away from people in general. More than losing faith in a god, I’ve been losing my faith in people.. But you have helped me see, so many times, that there are good people in this world and it’s really uplifting just to know someone like you exists.
    I started watching Masterchef as a distraction to fill my time, but I’m so glad I did because otherwise I don’t know how I would have seen and been exposed to your presence 🙂
    I’m young, but society makes me feel like I should have accomplished so much more; I simply haven’t and I feel pretty useless a lot, but reading your blogs and reading the great comments that your fans leave make me want to be a more ambitious person. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Miki, this is an incredible response, thank you much for sharing.

      You touched on a VERY sensitive topic at the end when you said, “society makes me feel like I should have accomplished so much more.” I struggled with this in my youth. My family and those around me expected SO MUCH of me, and I constantly felt like I was letting everyone down by not rising to their expectations. Eventually (while wandering in the desert in Egypt) I came to a realization that changed my life:

      YOU DON’T HAVE TO LIVE UP TO ANYONE’S EXPECTATIONS BUT YOUR OWN.

      And your own shouldn’t be influenced by anyone else. Period.

      Live your life on your own terms. Don’t give a second thought to what our society says you have to have in order to be “successful.” The only definition of success is this: personal happiness. You don’t need to drive a $100k car. You don’t have to wear the latest fashion. You don’t have to have a McMansion in a master-planned neighborhood and your kids don’t have to go to the “best” school or university. You don’t have to get promoted to the top of your company. You don’t have to belong to the country club. Anyone who tells you otherwise is secretly a miserable person trying to compensate for their own sense of unfulfillment.

      You search your soul to discover what makes you happy. And then you do that. Even if you end up making minimum wage for the rest of your life, never getting a “title” or “recognition.” If you are happy, you will be a beautiful soul that people will be drawn to. Your beauty will change other people’s lives and be infectious. Don’t EVER give credence to someone who criticizes you for not “fulfilling your potential” or “not being ambitious enough.” I am fed up with our country’s obsession with wealth and success. NEITHER of these things will bring you an ounce of happiness.

      What brings you happiness is doing things for yourself that make YOU happy, and doing things for others that make THEM happy. Period.

      🙂

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    jezziebezzie

    Both of those letters gave me goosebumps. I can’t imagine how you reacted reading them. My faith is strong, but I am not & have never been a fan of the “middleman”. It might have actually started with my love of literature, but I always got frustrated with narrow-minded teachers telling us what to think in school. By the time I’d reached college, my debating skills were so strong that my Canadian Lit. prof pretty much threw up his hands & went to me first before he even delved into what he thought!

    Same goes for the bible!

    It’s pretty universally agreed that Biblical events occurred hundreds of years before these stories were actually committed to paper. And when they were finally written, it was by many different individuals. (Hence the names of the books) And it was written in a virtually defunct language – Aramaic. From there it’d likely be translated to Greek, then Latin, then English, although who knows if it went through other incarnations before it became the King James version most of us agree upon today?

    Wanna try something fun? Lets take 3 lines of Chaucer, written in Middle English about 800 years ago & translate it. I tried languages more common today – from original Middle English to Spanish, Japanese, French, Dutch, Russian & back to English.

    Canterbury Tales – from The Prioress

    “His felawe, which that elder was than he, Answerde hym thus, “This song, I have herd seye,
    Was maked of oure blisful Lady free,”

    Actual English translation should be –
    “His fellow was an older lad than he, And answered thus: This song, as I’ve heard say
    Was made to praise Our Blessed Lady free,”

    But the translation through the 6 languages above (much like hundreds of years of re-translating the Bible) turns it into a big game of ‘telephone’ –
    “Her partner, the old — a child, And answered: the song, I had the privilege
    women freedom is admire and as I listen,”

    So is The Word really the word? How can a sane person follow the letter of the bible when you might just be following a cleaned up version of the translated nonsense above run through someone’s personal “oh, this must be what he meant” filter?”

    Personally I’ve never understood it. So I tend to live my life prepared to be judged by one single & ultimate Judge. I’ve made a kazillion mistakes, but I’m pretty sure I’m fine with sitting down to discuss my long game. I try to do more good than bad. I try to give back. I try to be sincere. And I genuinely try not to judge. I hope those that lived their life “by the book” are as confident in that conversation as I am.

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