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Words, Words, Words: Paula Deen, Trayvon Martin, and Gay Marriage

What do Paula Deen, the late Trayvon Martin, and the fight over gay marriage have in common?  Words.  Paula Deen’s use of the “n-word” 50 some-odd years ago and how it makes her unworthy of corporate sponsorship and a television career.  Trayvon Martin’s use of the “c-word” (cracker…not the BAD c-word) and how it may have brought about his untimely death.  And the Supreme Court deciding the federal government can’t discriminate financially against 2 people of the same gender who are “g.m.-word.”

Let’s start with Mrs. Deen, who, in the past week, was been the brunt of perhaps the most stupendous fall from glory we’ve ever seen from a celebrity chef.  The media seems most interested in whether or not she has used the “n-word,” and seemed horrifically appalled when when she said, “Of course.”  Honestly, there aren’t many of us in the US that can claim otherwise, and the real question should have been “Have you ever used the n-word with hate.”

I’m about fed up with our country’s obsession over words.  Words have no power.  PEOPLE give power to words.  By focusing so much stigma on this “n-word” all we do is continue to give it supernatural evil powers.  No word, in and of itself, has the power to do anything.  When we make such a drastic scene out of someone using a word, all we do is perpetuate the perception of power that word has.

Similarly…racist jokes.  Some people get deeply, horrifically offended by them.  Personally, I’m ALL FOR racist jokes, because they rob racism of its power.  Same with sexist jokes.  And homophobic jokes.  When we can all laugh at an issue, instead of get bound up in angst and offense over them, we’re a step closer to that issue not existing any more.

I might go so far as to say that the equality groups that work SO HARD toward equality are as guilty of perpetuating racism as pro-racist groups are.  When we continue to view humans in categories…black…female….gay…Christian…Democrat, we promote continued division and inequality.  These celebrations of “feminist pride” and “gay pride” and “black pride” simply keep us at arm’s length from each other.  It’s only when we STOP identifying as a minority group and start identifying as part of a single human community that we will ever reach true equality for everyone.

None of us know Paula Deen, so I’m not comfortable making a judgement call on her.  (I wouldn’t be comfortable doing that ANYWAY…it’s not any human’s place to judge another, unless you’re forced into that job as an actual judge.)  I do know people, black people among them, that have worked with her in a production capacity who say she’s delightful.  And for those of us who’ve watched her for years, it’s hard to suddenly imagine her as the worst racist tyrant in the food industry.  Paula is one of the few celebrity chefs reputed to be the exact same person on camera as she is off.

(Let us also not forget that the media is sensationalizing only a part of the allegations against Mrs. Deen.  There will be a trial to determine if her restaurants have actively enforced a pattern of racist and/or sexist discrimination, and none of us should pass judgement on her until a jury does.  Also, I doubt Paula Deen has a clue what happens in her restaurants.  She is a celebrity chef now.  Virtually EVERY celebrity chef/restarateur has been accused of employee abuse…financially, verbally, etc.  Do you think Gordon Ramsay has time to set foot in ANY of his restaurants more than a few days a year?  Does his name over the door make him responsible for the behavior of his managers and employees?)

In a recent interview, Paula expresses horror over how the young people in her kitchens talk to each other.  And if you are sensitive to racism, sexism, or homophobia, you should NEVER set foot in a restaurant kitchen.  It is the least politically-correct place on planet earth.  (Behind the military, of course.)  Not out of hatred, mind you.  But out of the playful jabbing and jesting that naturally occur when people work together under extreme stress in extreme conditions.  (Sort of like reality TV.)  I can’t count the number of times that my dear friends Adrien Nieto and Christian Collins have called me a “faggot” and teased me about about an unnatural obsession with sausage.  Was this done out of hatred?  Of course not.  Would a sensitive bystander take offense and want to rush to my rescue and hustle these guys to court for a hate crime?  Needlessly, yes.  Neither Adrien nor Christian has a homophobic bone in their entire body.  So their words are the result of the natural playful sparring that comes out of camaraderie.  (It’s really no different than tickling.)  Their words have no negative power, because I don’t grant them negative power, and they weren’t uttered with negative intent.  But had someone happened to secretly videotape such conversations, it might horrify the wrong room full of people…enough to ruin reputations and lose sponsors.  (If any existed.)

The most racist thing I’m going to say in this blog is that many white people absolutely LOVE to be offended on behalf of minorities.  It’s intoxicating for them.  We have YET to see any African Americans make allegations against Paula…these allegations are brought by a Caucasian woman who is offended on behalf of Paula’s black employees.  Of course, regardless of whether the allegations are true or not, this lady is going to claim “I’m speaking for those who are too scared to speak for themselves.”  But all these -isms only become -isms when there’s a closed circle…racism cannot exist unless there are victims on the other end of the equation to take offense or be harmed.  When my partner and I are holding hands in a park and some frat boys cat-call at us and hurl the “f-word” around…we don’t need to charge them with a hate crime, because frankly we don’t care about what they say.  There’s no homophobia.  Because we don’t complete the equation and allow ourselves to feel hurt or threatened by it.  We laugh at them and shout, “You know, it boys!  Wanna come over tonight?”  And it becomes a joke, no one gets hurt or offended, and the frat boys realize they have lost their power and slink away.

Another moment comes to mind from the time that all my fans were riled up about the semi-automatic weapons issue on my Facebook page during the holidays.  I was crucified by one woman when I referred to her as “sweetheart.”  She was supremely offended that I would be so sexist towards her.  Where I come from, “sweetheart” is a term of affection that my mama taught me to use out of respect and love toward women.  Yet this woman was deeply, supremely offended by it, and took the chance to forever label me a male chauvinist pig before she blocked me.  The ONLY capacity in which I am sexist is my belief that women are superior to men in almost every aspect.  She interpreted sexism where there was none.  So there WAS none, because the equation wasn’t complete.

The way I look at it, Paula Deen grew up steeped in a culture of segregation and racism.  It is inextricably intertwined in her life in a way that no one who is 30 years old and grew up in a cultural melting pot on the east or west coast could ever imagine.  In my heart, I want to believe that Mrs. Deen witnessed the racial separatism that was EVERYWHERE when she was a child, and is happy at how far we’ve come since then.  I want to believe that Paula is a good person with a playful personality who tosses friendly jabs at her coworkers the same way they do at her.  And I personally don’t care if she ever used the “n-word,” provided it wasn’t said with malice or hatred.  Because words have NO power unless that power is granted to them by humans.  And the “n-word” only becomes horrible when it is delivered with hatred, and received with fear.  If either end of that equation holds any different value…the word is no different from “butter” or “cloud” or “asparagus.”

Which brings me to the Trayvon Martin murder trial that’s happening right now, and how desperately I laughed at the Defense as he was questioning Trayvon’s best friend, Rachel Jeantel, who was on the phone with Trayvon until moments before he died.  Trayvon had told Rachel that he was being followed in the pouring rain by a “creepy cracker.”  The Defense was trying to spin this as a hate-filled racial slur that triggered George Zimmerman to defend himself in fear of his life.  The Defense acted truly shocked when Rachel said that she didn’t consider the word “cracker” to be racist at all.  (That’s simply what folks in her world call white people.)  And as offended as the Defense may be by that, if it’s not delivered with hate, it’s not racist and it has no power…even if he receives it with fear and offense.  Because the equation works both ways.

A similar principle is at work in the gay marriage debate that culminated last week in the Supreme Court’s decision that the Federal government must treat legally married gay couples the same as heterosexual married couples when dealing with issues of taxation.  The reverend Pat Robertson, and many people around the country on BOTH sides of this issue, misinterpreted the ruling to mean that the government has sanctioned gay marriage, and Mr. Robertson was quick to prophesy that God will rain down fire and brimstone upon the United States of America for this decision, just like he did on Sodom and Gomorrah.  (Sort of weird that he hasn’t done this with any of the other nations that actually legalized gay marriage, like France, Brazil, Canada, South Africa, etc.)

The actual debate over this issue is so silly, it makes me laugh.  Because it’s about different perceptions of a word: “marriage.”  The Supreme Court’s decision was about TAXES.  Nothing else.  And as far as state and federal governments are concerned, the word marriage is primarily about taxes and finances…a little bit about child custody…and that’s pretty much the limit of it.  While, for religious folk, the term “marriage” is inextricably wound up in spirituality and faith.  Any Christian objecting to gay marriage will inevitably cite Levitical verses about how much God hates homosexuality, and how he can only sanction and bless a marriage between a woman and man.  Yet they don’t seem uncomfortable recognizing a marriage between atheists (who do not define their marriage from a spiritual perspective), or between Hindus or Buddhists, who (according to the Bible) are following false gods.

I, personally, am not one of those folks who desperately wants to have the word “marriage” assigned to my 11-year partnership.  Because it’s just a word.  It has no power and no meaning unless I personally give it that.  (And I can personally give that power to ANY old term you’d like to give me that states I get the same treatment under tax law that my married neighbor does.  Anyone who is desperate to have that word apply to their relationship is giving too much power to a word.)

But I DO want to have the same LAWS apply to my 11-year partnership that the newlyweds across the street are governed under.  It makes no sense in my brain that a different set of laws would apply to me…than apply to any other American.  How is THAT an American concept?  Perhaps it’s a Biblical concept, depending on which part of the Bible you emphasize.  But we don’t live in the United Church of America.  This country is filled with people of all religions and no religions.  To treat ANY AMERICAN differently under the law is decidedly un-American.

So, to Pat Robertson and everyone else who stringently objects to gay marriage…I’m not asking for YOUR version of the word “marriage.”  The god you worship wouldn’t recognize it, anyway.  Though the god many other Christians worship certainly would.  (Isn’t that strange?  They are, in fact, the same god, according to the Bible.  Perhaps we are making god in OUR image?)  I’m asking for the government to treat me under the exact same laws as you are treated.  Because our government is not a church.  It treats Muslims and Zoroastrians the same way it does Christians and atheists.

So next time you start to get all riled up about issues like these…stop for a moment and ask yourself if this is all really about words.  And remember that words have NO power unless you grant them that power yourself.  If someone makes a remark to you with hatred behind it…it’s your choice whether to give that person the power to upset you with that word.  I seriously doubt that Paula Deen is spewing hatred at anyone.  (If she was, I would imagine that person would seek out another job.  Cooking jobs are a dime a dozen.  And they don’t pay very well ANYWHERE.)  My gut tells me that this “whistleblower” is yet another of those many white people who are on the edge of their chairs, waiting for that penultimate moment when they can be supremely, deeply offended to the core…on behalf of someone else…someone who witnessed playful bantering among compatriots and is so set on ending racism forever that they continue to perpetuate it by giving power to words that were never delivered with hate.

But let’s just say, to play Devil’s Advocate, that Paula Deen is the most horrid, hate-filled racist in all the American South.  For that matter, let’s also blame her for ALL the diabetes and heart disease in this country.  (Many people do, which is laughably ridiculous.)  Have we lost the ability to forgive when someone apologizes sincerely?  When someone desperately wants to change?  As a culture, we love to crucify someone and watch with glee as they fall.  (Why else would MasterChef be turning into Hell’s Kitchen?)  We seem incapable of forgiveness.  We seem to think that people remain static their whole lives and never have a change of heart.  And we never give them the chance to do so.

I’ve been writing this blog for a week, I’ve deleted it and started over, I’ve rewritten big chunks of it over and over again, because I know some of you out there are going to be supremely offended by all these WORDS I’ve written down.  So it’s not as cohesive as my normal writing.  But the biggest points I want to get across in this rambling and disjointed diatribe are these:

-Racism, sexism, homophobia, and other types of minority persecution will NEVER END as long as we continue to gather ourselves into groups to support our cause and celebrate our uniqueness.  Because we are separating ourselves.  When “minorities” of any sort stop pooling with their “own kind” and start integrating themselves as proud humans into neighborhoods, marriages, churches, and workplaces…revealing their humanity to their neighbors and coworkers through budding friendships…that’s when progress begins.

-We could all stand to be a little more forgiving.  That goes for corporations, too, who are sometimes trigger happy to kill their relationships with people they believe will give them a bad image.  Paula Deen has brought joy into the lives of millions of people for many decades.  Let’s not be so quick to throw her out like last week’s leftovers, especially if she offers a heartfelt apology.

-Words have no power unless you give that power to them.  If something is said with hatred, you don’t have to receive it as such.  If something is said that initially triggers offense in you, it may not have been delivered with intended hatred, and you still don’t have to receive it as such.  Hatred only has power when you allow it to.

Now what words do YOU have to say about all this?  Please comment below.

106 responses to “Words, Words, Words: Paula Deen, Trayvon Martin, and Gay Marriage”

  1. Helga Loncosky Avatar

    All I can say is….AMEN.

  2. Carrie Avatar
    Carrie

    I’m not offended, but I think Paula Deen is experiencing backlash for more than just dropping the “n-word” 20 years ago. Something about a plantation themed wedding where the servers had to use the back entrance and their own bathroom. But I obviously can’t say for sure. I also admit that “I is what I is” just about killed me from laughing so hard. However I do agree with your gay marriage statements. I have yet to hear a non religious reason for not making gay marriage legal across the US, and the last time I checked we didn’t live in a theocracy, no matter how much some super homophobic people may wish we did. The arguments against gay marriage were also used as arguments against interracial marriage. These people are on the wrong side of history. Personally, I’m glad more and more states are legalizing it–it seems to have a domino affect that I hope continues!

    1. Ben Avatar

      Carrie, a lot of the descriptions of this wedding are getting modified as they jump from blog to blog. All the waiters at the event were black, and they were dressed in black tuxedos. Most of them were employees of hers that she asked to work the event, they did so willingly. They were asked not to speak to the guests. They enter through the service entrance and use the staff bathroom. The only thing unusual about the facts that are presented there is that 100% of the wait staff was black. At a formal wedding, of course the wait staff will be in tuxedos, and of course they’ll be ordered to remain professional and not mingle with the guests. Even the most basic hotel has separate staff entrances and bathrooms so they don’t come in contact with guests. NONE of that stuff is unusual.

    2. Maggie Avatar
      Maggie

      I believe she said in her deposition she was afraid it would be “misinterpreted”
      By the By The Rendezvous in Memphis is just one restaurants with all black servers today that comes to mind… what about asian restaurants with all asain staff?
      For some mondern day Harriet Beecher Stowe speak for those without a voice? She needs to take her voice to those who realllllllly cant speak for themselves; abused children, animals, women in developing countries. I personally can be embarssed for someone, but to bring a law suit and toss someones life to the gators because I either wasnt in on the joke or didnt understand the climate in which I was in is living makes me leary.

  3. Liz Westen Avatar
    Liz Westen

    Well said Ben.

  4. Christopher Carrera Avatar

    I am so glad you posted this because I was going to message you to ask your opinion about a similar matter that is going on in another reality show: Big Brother. Im going to copy and paste what I wrote in my facebook.

    So there is kind of a mini-scandal going on with this season’s Big Brother. It’s only a week in, and a good number of houseguests (like five of them!) have been using some pretty hateful language on the live feeds. Anti-gay, Asian, black, and woman slurs have been tossed around pretty freely. In the past when an incident like this has happened, CBS never acknowledged it and didn’t put it into the network broadcast, but those were usually isolated incidents. This year it has apparently been pretty widespread. Ragan Fox, a former Big Brother contestant, wrote an open letter to CBS asking them to put this stuff into the broadcast so we all can see how these people are. I really agree with this, especially this year when the audience votes on a player each week to gain some extra advantages in the game.

    As for context, these slurs were made against specific people in the house, not just general statements.

    1. Ben Avatar

      That’s interesting, Christopher. I’ve never been able to stomach more than about 30 seconds of Big Brother, so I don’t follow the show. And yes…if CBS is editing this stuff out for fear of being labeled racist, they shouldn’t be. When we recognize words and patterns of behavior that we may have engaged in ourselves, being spewed with hate and ignorance by others, it causes us to focus back on our own behavior. It’s GOOD for the country to witness this type of ridiculous behavior, because it makes us more conscientious of our own.

  5. Andrea Avatar
    Andrea

    “When we can all laugh at an issue, instead of get bound up in angst and offense over them, we’re a step closer to that issue not existing any more.”

    These are some of the wiest words I’ve read in a long time (to the point where I quoted you in my FB status).

    Words have no power themselves. I totally agree with you on that. It’s the way people use them that can heal or hurt. In a way, they’re a kind of weapon too, only that instead of hurting physically, they hurt the mind and soul. But also the feeling that is conveyed with the woulds should be taken into account. If Paula Deen apologized, why not accept it and move on? If Martin said itbecause he was scared, and nowadays today’s youth is something I’d rather not discuss because of my own age, there’s still too much intolerance. But unfortunately, intolerance and the need to impose someone else’s ideas and points of view is part of the so-called human condition.

    Regarding your point of view on marriage for everyone (that’s how I see it), I must admit that you inspired me to be vocal about my opinions on it. Texas is almost as bad as Colombia in LGBT rights, and it pains me that the two places I call home are that way: So medieval, obsolete and close-minded. But eh, it’s all in the link I’m leaving in this message, if you can and want to read it (it’s up to you. I don’t believe in forcing anyone).

    http://andreaarizaa.deviantart.com/journal/An-honest-to-goodness-thought-375297812 <-My journal.

    I wish people were nicer, more open-minded. Pretty much I wish they were like you, an angel whose wings are hidden.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Andrea, I enjoyed your blog post. I can’t imagine what it’s like to live in a country where those in power still have medieval beliefs. We run into SOME of that here, but not on the scale you endure in Colombia. All my best to your LGBT friends there, and hopefully some day, those medieval politicians will experience a moment where they come face-to-face with someone they truly love in a moment where they discover they belong to a “group’ they truly hate. That’s the moment when change begins.

      1. Andrea Avatar
        Andrea

        Here’s hoping! Also, you surprised me in DeviantArt!I was feeling pretty down, and you totally made my day.

  6. Karen Hall Avatar
    Karen Hall

    Fabulous blog Ben! Would you like to run for president or something? Oh right, you have to represent a “group” and do battle with the other “groups”. I have a plan – I’ll stand for good and do battle against evil. Who will join me?

    1. Ben Avatar

      Oh, Karen, I’m so allergic to politics I wouldn’t last a day. My parents raised me with hopes of public service, but that’s just not my cup of tea. We’ve seen what happens to dreamers who enter politics hoping to make a change…

  7. Gregory Wright Avatar
    Gregory Wright

    I am almost never offended by anything directed at me. I’m just a straight, white male. So I don’t usually get blasted by words that might be upsetting. So I have no real PERSONAL understanding about why certain words cause so much pain to others. I don’t condone the use of those words, because hate I to offend someone with a word by mistake. I need to do it on purpose. If I’m going to offend someone I’m going to go for the throat and I’m going to use far more interesting words to cut someone down to size. I don’t need “those” words. People’s own actions will give me all the firepower I need.

    Paula Deen…my, oh my. I honestly don’t believe she’s a hood wearing, hate spewing racist. I do think she has engaged in some behavior that is racist. I saw her live, and she brought out her black friend who was very dark skinned and was wearing black and asked her to stand by the black curtain. She then joked about how dark she was you couldn’t see her. The woman was in on this “joke” and nobody but Paula laughed. I was pretty shocked by this joke in poor taste. I wondered aloud “what the hell is she thinking?” I think she probably is pretty clueless about some of her saucy behavior being perceived as racist, that certain old southern traditions are considered today to be racist, and she very well may one of those people who down deep thinks she’s superior, but is happy to be giving those less superior some great opportunities. Which is not exactly treating people as equals. And all this is something that happened along time ago. I have no idea what she does in her real life today, and that is all that really should matter. Even is she was a racist 30 years ago, she should be judged for who she is now. I’m disappointed in what I’ve read and she’s done a terrible job apologizing for it, but it sure seems like she’s become the punching bag for all racists everywhere.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Great comment, Greg. Interesting that you saw one of the moments that’s being used against her. And the audience response to that joke definitely varies regionally. In Dallas, the audience (which would likely have been half black…Paula has a HUGE following in the Black American community) would have cackled like crazy, and not many would have considered it inappropriate. In the South, where racism pokes its ugly head up all the time, racist jokes are actually a bit of a relief for everyone who tries to exist outside of racism. It allows us to laugh and marginalize an issue that shouldn’t exist in the first place.

      1. Gregory Wright Avatar
        Gregory Wright

        I think you make an important point. I do think a good deal of Paula Deen’s southern humor is lost to us in the northeast. Something that may be hilarious in the south, just isn’t here, and probably vice versa. I know I am always surprised at many behaviors and types of humor I find when we travel. Which is why I like to travel. Much more interesting to meet people who are not just like me.

  8. Brad Cunningham Avatar
    Brad Cunningham

    Excellent post Mr Starr, not rambling in the least. Here’s my solution to the gay marriage debate; remove the word marriage from the federal and state law statute of co-habiting individuals (again with the “words,” call them all civil unions with the laws and benefits for every couple, and leave the “marriage” for religious institutions. As a pastor I currently serve in a political and religious function by serving as a pseudo justice-of-the-peace and as the religious leader I am officially recognized for, which I find to be a messy arrangement. If the word marriage is a big deal for certain religious groups (and good Lord it is), let those people debate it and allow a neutral baseline of equality exist for everyone else. Thank you me Starr for sharing your words, and the emotion and logic that support them; don’t stop sharing them. Peace!

    1. Ben Avatar

      Brad, thank you for honoring my site with your post. *warm hugs*

  9. Nick Shiraef Avatar
    Nick Shiraef

    Ben, first of all, I read every word so this is not a skimming summary, but rather a succinct, focused response. (who edits your stuff? You have a very low rate of grammatical errors!) Your opinions are smart and just biased enough to come across as convincing but not too slanted. I hope you find a way to get your writing out there beyond just this, because the irony would then be your well spoken WORDS might just obtain immense power (for good of course).

    Paula Deen: As a person, it sucks that anyone would judge her at all other than to say her honesty is commendable. As a celebrity, she should have known this was a possibility so she has to take the blame. As a spokesperson for “Southerners” I’m not that sad to see her go. Just like we need another culinary symbol other than “Sweet Tea,” we need a better perception of our diet. I love “Southern Food” as much as anyone, but it’s very inhibiting when the world thinks we eat fried chicken, biscuits, and butter pie every time we sit down for dinner.

    Trayvon Martin: impossible situation. only those who saw it have any right to comment definitively as to who was to blame. I don’t think we have a choice but to pray and let our imperfect justice system decide. Either way, lawyers and know-it-all activists are going to come out looking like idiots, and real lives were ruined in the process.

    Gay Marriage: I was raised in a place that was extremely divisive on issues like this:

    https://www.facebook.com/nick.shiraef/media_set?set=a.101534486675780.3627.100004576863559&type=3

    For me it has nothing to do with right or wrong, but the treatment of other human beings. Since it’s mostly those who claim Christianity as their motive for being so hateful and judgmental, it’s important to retort within that context. I believe we all have exactly the same value in the eyes of God, and Jesus’ life certainly practiced that principle: regardless of our “sins” we each have 1 life, 1 body, 1 mind. Why would I waste 1 second, 1 word, or 1 calorie judging another person who will always have the exact same value as I do??? It’s insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And besides, how can one’s preference between tube steak and furry tacos have any bearing on what taxes they pay? If properly salted, they’re both equally delicious with the right condiments!~ Come on people, lighten up, wise up, eat, drink, and get married!

    1. Ben Avatar

      Thanks so much for your comment, Nick, it means a lot.

      As to your question about who edits my stuff? An ARMY of editors on my payroll. Ha ha ha… My blogs are often first-draft, though sometimes I give them a cursory skim for spelling and grammar. You can blame my dad, who had me reading Dickens at age 6 and writing essays on it that HE would grade himself.

  10. Craig Smith Avatar

    I agree with much of what you’ve written. I’m a 57-year-old gay man who is horrified at the gay community’s inability to laugh at itself (or at a harmless gay joke) without screaming “Homophobia!” I believe in teachable moments—when people make ignorant statements about gays or same-sex marriage, I’m happy to jump in and gently show them a different point of view, and more often than not I’m able to change their mind.

    On the other hand, I make a HUGE distinction between jokes from friends about liking sausage too much, and someone essentially saying that slavery is sweet nostalgia, or using the n-word so casually (and cluelessly) that you know it’s deeply ingrained in her worldview. Frankly, I think her brother Bubba is the die-hard racist in the family, but I think Paula’s “But black people call each other n—– all the time!” is indication of her complete obliviousness to the power and shame of the word, especially when spoken by a wealthy, powerful, white woman who practically embodies the South and its values to the American public.

    I agree that words have no power intrinsically, and that words of hurt and hate can be taken back and reclaimed. But when you say, “If [the word is] not delivered with hate, it’s not racist and it has no power…even if he receives it with fear and offense,” I have to respectfully disagree. I don’t think Paula or her sons or Bubba necessarily curled their lips and spat “N—–!” at anyone. Racism is not just about hate, it’s about power: who has it, and more importantly who doesn’t. A white Southerner calling workers “little n—–s” is saying, “These people are not just below me because they work for me, they are also beneath me because they’re black and I’m white.”

    As for forgiveness: Paula and her PR team made three (count ’em, three!) apology videos, each one more “sincere” than the last. I will forgive almost anyone anything if I know they’ve seen the error of their ways and truly understand what they’ve done and ask my forgiveness. I don’t yet know whether Paula’s tears are carefully manufactured, or are sorrow at seeing her empire collapse before her eyes, or truly represent (to use a religious word that still works for me) repentance.

    I’ll admit there’s more than a little bit of schadenfreude in watching Paula Deen’s downfall, and I have am guilty of making too many post-diabetes jokes about her Krispy Kreme fried egg hamburgers. You have chastened me, and rightly so. On the other hand, I gotta say it: my friends can get away with calling me a faggot, but my employer cannot, nor can he joke about fags and dykes to his straight friends around the water cooler—even if he doesn’t say it with hate.

  11. Jamie Gardner Avatar

    I did not agree with Deen losing her job for the simple fact that, regardless of whether she said a racist word, she did not do so on her show or use the show as a forum for racism or anything like that. I didn’t agree with it when they wanted to fire Dog the Bounty Hunter, either (and I am certainly no fan of his). Because it was not done in conjunction with either of their shows. He is more likely to be an actual racist, since his use was recent, but they were (as far as I am aware) not at work when they said the word and even if they both meant it in a racist way, their personal beliefs should not affect their employment unless they are directly related. Like, if she was only hiring white people on her show or he was using racial slurs against all the black crew members on his show. But because of the way the media has made this into ridiculous thing, to say she shouldn’t have been fired makes it look like I am taking a stand in favor of racism. And that’s not the case at all. I really liked this response as well http://t.co/E4Lljqv1ag

    1. Ben Avatar

      Yeah, Jamie, I read that a couple of days ago. GREAT read, I highly recommend it.

    2. Gregory Wright Avatar
      Gregory Wright

      Thank you for that link. That is an inspiring piece of work.

  12. Ayrial Avatar
    Ayrial

    Ben, each and every time I read your blog, I <3 you a little more. Your opinions and thoughts on this subject, in my view, are right on and you look at the world with so much common sense and open eyes and I wish more people did the same. Thanks again for a great post and giving people a little perspective.

  13. Tracey J. Kinney Avatar

    Your posts give me hope for a generation of people who can look beyond their own insular group interests to the good of humanity as a whole. Don’t ever stop writing …

  14. Scott C. Smith (@TheScottCSmith) Avatar

    Ben, the next time you come to Portland I want to buy you a beer and celebrate the wonderful person you are. I could care less if you’re gay, straight, black, white, or whatever other stupid label we feel the need to place on each other. We live in this horrible “us vs. them” kind of culture and rather than celebrate our similarities, we focus on our differences. I can understand being religious and not approving of gay marriage, but why work so hard to deny to men who love men and women who love women the same legal rights as straight couples when they decide to make a commitment to each other? We should be celebrating that love and not condemning it. Leave it to God to judge whether or not it is something that is offensive.

  15. Laurie Avatar
    Laurie

    Beautifully written. I applaud you!!!

  16. Alexis Schneider Avatar
    Alexis Schneider

    I agree with pretty much all of your feelings on this topic and I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. However, while I agree with the idea that separating ourselves and sticking to one minority group of people is not the way to truly be accepted, I also think that there are certain things being fought for that just can’t be achieved without the work that people are doing. To be truly accepted as a bisexual I have to start changing the minds of those around me by becoming a member of the human community, as you said. However, the specific laws that need changing in order to make sure that all of the LGBT community has equal human rights are never going to be changed without coalitions doing the work that they do and affecting change the way that we have seen. Something has to be done on a national level for change to occur.

    1. Shawn Guenther Avatar

      “are never going to be changed without coalitions doing the work that they do”

      I don’t know that that’s true, Alexis. I, for one, am much more active about promoting gay rights than my cousin and her girlfriend. Heck, for that matter, I am probably more vocal about it than Ben is.

      You’re right that the laws don’t change unless pressure is applied. But I don’t think that pressure has to come from a consolidated group of type X. In fact, I think it may work against the group because they start to be seen as a fringe.

      And there’s the problem Ben’s talking about: there is no such thing as fringe. All of us are just people. We’re not much different than we were at age 8, and we won’t be much different at age 80. We all have the same light and darkness in us, we adjust which comes through via the decisions we make.

      If you, as a bisexual, can make me, as a heterosexual, see you as a person then you can win me to your cause and we’ll fight together. That’s when laws change; when the poll-watchers see that their constituencies want them changed. It’s not a battle of us vs. politicians, it’s a battle of us vs. ignorance. That’s a war to be fought, tired cliche aside, by winning the hearts and minds.

      1. Ben Avatar

        GREAT insight, Shawn. I can’t think of a single thing to ad. And that’s rare. Ha ha ha… Yall come for the 4th!

  17. Lily Avatar
    Lily

    I agree with you that the media’s approach to the Paula Deen issue has been very confusing and sensational with very few facts. And I agree that one of the best responses to slurs made against oneself is humor. But I do think that responding to hateful words in a dismissive way does not, in fact, rob them of their power because while they may just be words, they are words that express underlying hateful attitudes, words that are intended to make other people feel marginalized and unimportant and words that come through in actions from how people vote to how people hire. And if we say nothing, if we just let it go, then the racist or sexist or homophobic person thinks, “I bet this other person agrees with me. It’s fine to think this way. I’m right.” And then these attitudes persist in very detrimental ways. It is only when your friends disagree with you, when you meet and engage with diverse groups of people, that you start to think differently.

    You mention, “many white people absolutely LOVE to be offended on behalf of minorities. It’s intoxicating for them.” Maybe in this case, the accusations are spurious — I honestly haven’t followed the issue closely. But the notion that people who are not part of a minority group shouldn’t care about protecting that group is silly. Everyone should care — both because everyone loves someone who is gay or black or a woman and doesn’t want that person to feel bad and because the world is a worse place when we discriminate against people for arbitrary characteristics. People don’t speak up just because it is intoxicating — they speak up because they genuinely care and because speaking up shows support for people they love and because often speaking up is very much appreciated.

    Finally, you mentioned, “…if you are sensitive to racism, sexism, or homophobia, you should NEVER set foot in a restaurant kitchen.” But why should people who are sensitive to these things have to avoid a restaurant kitchen? We can either tell them not to be sensitive or tell people who are hurting other people not to do so. And it’s probably better for society to do the latter. Words aren’t “just” words. That is why bullying is such a problem for children (and why kids commit suicide as a result of it) and why ethnic tensions are such a problem for adults. And while I don’t think forming small communities (e.g. cultural houses at universities) is necessarily terrible, the world will be a much better place when we strive to respect each other.

  18. Torie Avatar
    Torie

    I have yet to read a blog post, opinion, or otherwise that is so extremely well spoken. Thank you for the courage and time you have shown 🙂

  19. Donna Donahue Avatar
    Donna Donahue

    Ben you mirror my own thoughts on this topic. I’ve been saying this since all this came out. Why does that F word offend homosexuals? Because we let it. Why do heavy people get offended when others call us fat? Because we let it. so on and so forth. The very minute we stop giving words power over our feelings the faster we can all heal and accept one another. Speaking of being fat, I don’t ever recall anyone running away from the water cooler and starting a national stink when someone refers to another person as a fat slob… talk about an in protected discrimination… just saying.

  20. Jacob H Avatar
    Jacob H

    If I walk up to your mother and call her a fat c-nt [edited by Ben] it’s not her problem if she gets offended. She has a right to respond to the words have been directed at her.

    Your main thesis is a pile victim blaming garbage. We, as a society, have rightfully stigmatized slurs and jokes targeted at women, minorities, gays and persons with disabilities because they’re humilitating and awful. If you want to take it upon yourself to ignore people yelling “FAGGOT” at you in order to somehow fantasize that you’re living in a homophobia-free world you’re welcome to, but that’s a standard no reasonable person should be held to.

    Also, read up on the allegations against Paula Dean: http://www.blacklegalissues.com/Article_Details.aspx?artclid=7dfdbe0461

    But I guess because she’s a white lady we can just dismiss the allegations? I’m having trouble feeling sorry this racist millionaire who did awful things for decades and then only stopped after someone publicly outed her.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Jacob, these are allegations until they have been proven in court. I REFUSE to believe ANY accusations against ANY celebrity until a court of law has decided if they are legitimate.

      If you walked up to my mother and said that, I would certainly hope that she would have the patience and integrity to dismiss the comment. (She would. She is one of the people who taught me that words can only harm when we allow them to.) When we get inflamed by comments like these, and lash back, all we do is continue the division between humans.

      And, yes, I would forgive her for her past transgressions the same way I would forgive you for calling my mother those things. Everyone deserves forgiveness. Everyone.

    2. Shawn Guenther Avatar

      “I’m having trouble feeling sorry this racist millionaire who did awful things for decades”

      Jacob, do you know this to be true?

      A great deal of that article deals with Bubba, an undoubtedly racist guy. Let’s look at Mr. Washington’s outlook for a second, though:

      “When Paula found out…she slapped him on the wrist and suggested that the employee visited Paula’s $13,000,000 mansion so he felt special and could be massaged.”

      Now let me rephrase that one and see if it carries the same heft:

      “When Paula found out she fined her brother, put him on probation and offered the employee an invitation to a spa day at her home.”

      I don’t know if my version is more or less accurate than Mr. Washington’s, but I do know that if she were as vicious a racist as he is painting she would never have offered for “one of them” to come to her home.

      Is it maybe possible that you dislike Paula and have decided this justifies that? Or that maybe you have decided to use this as the poster for what’s wrong in race relations to further a different point entirely?

      I think the biggest catch about the Paula Deen thing is that no one is actually discussing Paula Deen. We’ve made this an issue about racism in America. Even in this very blog post Ben makes strides to not talk about her or what she said directly because – as he says – he doesn’t know what she said so he doesn’t feel justified talking about it.

      I’m not asking you to post anything, but please reread your post. Reread Mr. Washington’s article. Do you see the anger there? That’s the anger that has to be let go. It’s not about fantasizing you live in a racism free world. It’s about believing you live in one and how that belief MAKES it true.

      Can someone step through that belief and perform a true hate crime – beat you over your race/class/orientation? Sure. And that is the hatred we have to deal with collectively. Not through more anger; anger only ever destroys and then justifies the action.

  21. Lynne Avatar
    Lynne

    “I believe we all have exactly the same value in the eyes of God, and Jesus’ life certainly practiced that principle: regardless of our “sins” we each have 1 life, 1 body, 1 mind. Why would I waste 1 second, 1 word, or 1 calorie judging another person who will always have the exact same value as I do??? It’s insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And besides, how can one’s preference between tube steak and furry tacos have any bearing on what taxes they pay? If properly salted, they’re both equally delicious with the right condiments!~ Come on people, lighten up, wise up, eat, drink, and get married!”

    love! well stated Nick. And, of course, you know I always think your points are well stated Ben.

  22. Angel Taylor Avatar
    Angel Taylor

    Ben I read your blogs, and cook many of the things you post online and love them.( your Thankgiving turkey is a fav in this house.) I agree with you that words only have the power we give them, but we can not control how others feel about those words. I have several black friends here in the south that use “nigger” as a term of endearment and hear them say it on a daily basis. I have asked them “If it means something so bad to you, why do you use it?” the answer being “It’s about WHO says it.”
    But don’t people give that word more power by not typing it out? There were no problems with typing “fagot” is that a less hateful thing to say? America would be stronger if we quit “labeling” and “grouping” people with slurs!!
    As for Paula Deen, giving where she was raised and when she was raised I don’t doubt she is a bit raciest in her beliefs even if not meaning to be hurtful in her mind. Should she be forgiven? Shouldn’t we all for saying things that hurt other people?
    I have a ex boyfriend that finally came out about 20 years ago and has been with the same guy for 12 years and I see them struggle with equal rights all the time, if one partner goes to the hospital they want the “next of kin” NOT the partner thats been by his side for 12years. They have had to hire lawyers to do paperwork to overcome several problems like that. People who live together for that long SHOULD have equal rights as “married” couples no matter their sex. They have acquired the assests and responsibilities (house,car, bills, etc.) that a married couple have.
    Oh and dear Trayvon Martin, using “creepy cracker” showed in itself how racist HE was to begin with. If the exchange of “cracker” and “nigger” took place how could it NOT be headed for a fight when both took offense to those words?
    Should it have gotten him killed? No!!
    In the end it’s ALL WORDS!!!!
    Thank you Ben Starr for just being you, the world would be a better place if more people had the compassion and integrity that you do.

  23. Emily Grace Avatar

    There is so much I want to say that I could write a post in and of itself, but I do not believe this is the correct forum for doing so. That being said, it is very concerning to me how culturally we moving towards a society that seeks out opportunities to acuse individuals of hate because they different than us so that we then can have an excuse to hate them ourselves. This is, as you said, reflected in our entertainment, particularly reality TV. One the reasons I enjoy reading your blog is the amount respect that you show in your writing for people from all walks of life, even if they live or believe differently than you. I am encouraged by your attitude.

    There is one point you made that is truly excellent and I feel should be highlighted, it is so important to diversify in our social circles. It so easy to isolate ourselves within our own groups, whether the divisions be racial, cultural, political, etc. We can even choose to only expose ourselves to news that agrees with our perspectives. This dangerous and excellent breeding ground for all kinds of prejudice. Thank you as always for letting your love of others show through your posts.

  24. Lynne Avatar
    Lynne

    Jacob, I don’t believe that saying each and every one of US has the right to control how our environment effects us is the same as “blaming victims.” It’s virtually the same as saying take control of your own life and don’t blame others for your reaction to them…choose happiness. Sometimes the best way to affect change is to choose happiness and let others see how good that feels. Yes, if someone says something offensive, it’s been said, but do you feel better attacking them for it? If you do, I would assume you have some very unhappy moments in your life, because anger breeds depression, sadness, and more anger.

    The truth is we are all different, yet we must share this world. I don’t believe that means taking everyone’s freedom of speech away so that no one gets offended. It means learn to tolerate others, even if you think you are tolerating racism. Why is that any different than atheists and Christians tolerating one another? Or fat and skinny people tolerating one another? Just to point out that for whatever reason you felt c-nt wasn’t hurtful enough without the word fat in front of it. I have no idea if you dislike fat people, but I do know this: there IS some group of people that you ARE tolerating. You know how I know this, because there is not 1 single perfect person walking this earth that has all the “right” beliefs and none of the “wrong” beliefs, so we all have to tolerate people with beliefs we don’t agree with and be tolerated by others. AND, there is absolutely no way to qualify “right” and “wrong” beliefs. To say we must all be mindful of minorities, yet not racists, they don’t count as a minority (and I’m wondering if you believe they count as people), is well…hypocritical

    I hope you do realize that racists are a minority in this country. if you don’t, I would suggest you visit other areas of the world til you do understand just how mindful the U.S. has become.

  25. Lynne Avatar
    Lynne

    “That being said, it is very concerning to me how culturally we moving towards a society that seeks out opportunities to acuse individuals of hate because they different than us so that we then can have an excuse to hate them ourselves.”

    Emily, I agree, and it is particularly concerning in this time where we have homeland security deciding who is worthy of freedom.

    Ben, I also have to agree with Emily that I thought it was odd of you to not use the word nigger in a post about that word which did give it power in this context, but I think I know why. Ben is a public figure, better or worse, he must “watch his words” because the public demands it, and he would lose meaningful opportunities.

    1. Ben Avatar

      You got it, Lynne. It’s a shame, but I, too, have to watch my words. Enough people already believe I’m racist simply because I want to forgive another human for her past transgressions.

  26. Robert Avatar
    Robert

    Ben, it was nice to read an honest and articulate opinion regarding the use of certain words, racism and the art of feigning offense. While I have never been a fan of Paula Deen, I find it sad that we love to elevate people to such incredible heights of fame only to take pleasure in knocking them down, watching them fall and then gloat the whole way. The media seems to take great pleasure in this form of sadism. I was raised to believe that “sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.” I’m sure she will survive after this all settles down. It just stinks that forgiveness can only be had after one is absolutely destroyed…I truly hope that I and my wife, Gabriela, can one day break bread with you and Jennie at FRANK in the not to distant future. Ciao.

  27. Mmirns Avatar
    Mmirns

    “Any Christian objecting to gay marriage will inevitably cite Levitical verses about how much God hates homosexuality, and how he can only sanction and bless a marriage between a woman and man”

    This is a really unfair assumption to make. And it upsets me that this is the perception the majority of Americans have towards Christians. A true Christian treats everyone with equal love and respect regardless of their personal choices or whether they comply with our beliefs, we don’t all walk around condemning and judging people

    1. Ben Avatar

      Mirna, the first part of that sentence says, “Any Christian objecting to gay marriage…” If you’ve ready my blogs before, particularly on this issue, you’ll know that I always give fair credence to the large portion of Christians who are accepting and loving of EVERYONE. I mention it in THIS post, too, when I said that in many Christians’ minds, their God would bless a union between two loving people of the same gender. This is NOT a Christian-bashing blog…I’m sorry if it sounded that way.

    2. Lynne Avatar
      Lynne

      I’m Christian and do not “inevitably cite Levitical verses about how much God hates homosexuality,” but you must admit we are the minority Christians. I say this with a sad and heavy heart, hoping that it will change someday because of Christians like you and I. I believe you are correct about true Christians, but recent statistics show that if love and respect are your measurements of “true Christians,” they are the minority. 70% of Christians stay at their church for a year or less. I doubt we can quantify what percentage believes gay people go to hell, but anecdotally it’s way to high from my experiences. Less the 20% of Christians tithe their 10%. If we can’t do the things that are clear in the Bible and not lie, tithe, and love…”true Christians” are dwindling, again, sadly! So I do understand how so many Americans have issues with Christianity, yet not individual Christians…it’s a lot like racism. There is a big difference in recognizing patterns in groups (stereotyping as some call it) vs. hating all individuals of a group (bigotry). He is referring to a portion of Christians, unfortunately, large portion.

      1. Lynne Avatar
        Lynne

        Actually even worse, I was citing very old numbers from a ten year old church census, just in 07, and probably worse now

        “In 2007, the research revealed that just 5% of adults tithed.” and that’s at all, getting to 10% is very low…and that’s not of the population as a whole, that’s Christians. We don’t do the things that are clear in the Bible, and homosexuality is not clear, so …

        You and I need to press upon our fellow Christians that even if they think homosexuality is a sin, it’s not anymore of a sin than not tithing 10%, maybe we could get somewhere that way. And there is no reason to treat gay people any differently than your Christian neighbor who doesn’t tithe. We all sin and we are all equal in Gos’s eyes.

  28. Christine Brehan Avatar

    As a straight, Christian, Caucasian, female…oh wait…I’m just a person. As a human being, I applaud your writing. Nowadays, we tend to actively look for things about which to get riled up. The idea of giving someone the benefit of the doubt seems to have gone extinct – along with chivalry, manners and common sense. Thank you for having the courage to post this.

  29. Maia Avatar
    Maia

    Dear Ben,

    I’ve only recently found this website, but I’m very happy that I did. I’m now working my way through your past blogs (incidentally, is there a button that would let me go to the very first one straight away?) and it is very surprising that even though we have very different personalities, we share opinions about a great many things. This blog above is a perfect example. Please keep writing,

    Maia

    1. Ben Avatar

      Thank you, Maia, and welcome to my site! I have NOT done a good job of making my blog easy to read from a historical perspective. I’ll try to work on that this weekend.

  30. Marianne Avatar

    Ben, I just wanna say, “I love you.” Been watching you for awhile and you are the best. Keep saying what’s on your mind. Not only are you an excellent chef, you are a lovely person! I’m a Christian and I agree…the law of the land has nothing to do with church law…or what the church deems as marriage. Saw you on T.V. and fell in love with you. All the best!

    1. Ben Avatar

      Thank you SO MUCH, Marianne! Welcome to my site. *hugs*

  31. debbs in TX Avatar
    debbs in TX

    Right on, Ben! You brought up some points of views that I hadn’t considered, like, for example, some making God in OUR image instead of the other way around. Even though I hadn’t thought of it in those terms, you are 100% correct. I agree with everything you’ve said here, except for this one thing: I do think this blog was indeed cohesive! I like the way you think, neighbor!!

  32. Cathy Hodge Smith Avatar
    Cathy Hodge Smith

    Loved you commentary Ben, and you already know that we are of the same mind regarding these topics. The reason that I have had Paula Deen on my favorite list of people to work with in the future is because she loves all people and all types of food, not just her style. I hope that we both get to work with her in the near future. I know that she did not bring pain or suffering to her employees, but valued their contributions and was an encourager and supporter of all, regardless of race or other particulars about the people around her. You love Ben Starr!

  33. Dalila Avatar
    Dalila

    Hi, Ben!

    I really enjoyed your blog post! However, I just wanted to point out that the full extent of the accusations levied against Paula Deen (and her brother) don’t just include her use of the “n-word” decades ago or the plantation-style wedding. I agree with you that there is a great deal of misinformation being circulated in the blogosphere regarding the Paula Deen case, and I thought you might want to read the full complaint here: http://www.atlawblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Jackson-v.-Deen-et-al.-Complaint.pdf.

    I think it’s much easier for me to read the legal documentation for myself rather than rely on news reports that tend to be lacking, if not completely false. For example, I haven’t seen any mention in news reports about the allegation that black employees at Deen’s Lady and Sons restaurant had to use the back entrance and could not come in through the front door like white employees. That is DEFINITELY in violation of civil rights laws that have been in effect since the 1960s. That seems way more serious to me than some plantation-style wedding that never even happened, but the media has fixated on the wedding because it’s a simpler and more visual example of a deep and complex issue.

    Like you, I’d like to wait until the courts come to decision about this whole debacle before I pass my own judgement. However, I think it’s important to recognize that the corporations who cut ties with Deen might not have done so if the allegations levied against her and her brother didn’t include some blatantly illegal activities (e.g. physical abuse: Bubba hit his black employes; gender discrimination: female workers were paid less than males doing the same jobs, etc.). I think focusing on her alleged use of the “n-word” is problematic because of how it’s turning a serious problem that ought to be debated thoughtfully into something needlessly sensationalized.

  34. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    I dont agree with everything you said but bravo on the whole words thing. I can’t understand why people will give the n-word so much power. Not to mention the fact that most urban black people use it almost as often as they say hello to each other. I don’t hate black people in the least but I feel like every time one of the race-bating whackjobs like Al Sharpton talks about the n-word it does bring us further and further from actually getting along better. Your points on this were excellent. It’s like when you’re teasing someone in school. You keep doing it because it keeps annoying the person. The minute the other person stops caring about the teasing, it loses its cache and you stop out of boredom. I think a similar thing would happen if we all just stopped being so politically correct about everything. One final point. When the defense in the Trayvon Martin case tried to play up the whole cracker thing, they were A) doing whatever they could to paint a bad picture of Trayvon which is their job in court and B) responding to the (media driven) public opinion that Zimmerman was acting based on race.

    P.S. It’s good to hear that you take ribbings from good friends. I have a (possibly false) impression of gay people that they can’t stand gay jokes or things like that and you opened my eyes a bit.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Sam, some gay people are very sensitive about sexuality jokes, just like some women are very sensitive to sexist jokes. But the vast majority of gay people I’ve ever met absolutely love a playful sparring about sexuality. I don’t associate with people who get easily offended. (Or…probably…they don’t associate with me. Ha ha ha)

  35. Motty Avatar
    Motty

    I want to clarify a couple of things. I will throw in a disclaimer that I am a lawyer. For some of you, that makes what I’m about to type more trustworthy. For some less. Either way:

    The Supreme Court struct down the Defense of Marriage Act as unconstitutional. The basis for the decision was that the federal government should stay out of the marriage debate and let states define marriage. This is sort of the opposite of an earlier opinion of the Court (Loving v. Virginia) where the courts essentially forbade states from defining marriage as between a man and a woman of the same ethnicity (thus banning interracial marriage). Here, the Courts will allow a state (like Texas) to make marriage strictly between a man and a woman and require the federal government to recognize the marriage however the state sets it up.

    As to what DOMA covered. Its a lot more than taxes. There are issues regarding child custody, finances, and taxes, all as Ben discussed… but there are also issues regarding things like: (a) spousal privilege in criminal cases where the prosecutor cannot force your spouse to testify against you; (b) the right to file a joint bankruptcy and have certain debts deemed domestic support obligations; (c) the right to make medical decisions in the absence of a power of attorney (think Terry Shiavo); and (d) the right to sponsor one’s spouse for a green card. And this isn’t a complete list either.

    As for a non-religious reason to define marriage one way and not another: because we have to draw the line somewhere and traditionally that has been at man/woman partnerships.

    I will not compare gay marriage to pedophilia or marrying a horse, but I will compare it to bigamy. Can you give me one non-religious reason to ban bigamy?

    I’m not giving an opinion on the issue either way. I just want to try to offer some helpful facts so people know about what they speak.

  36. Alysia Avatar
    Alysia

    Words. I really do think we have to try to remember that we as people are the ones who attach meaning to words, both the literal translation and that subtle connotation/emotion. We learn to attach meanings to words starting from a really early age. And those meanings that we attach to certain “hot” or “categorical” words are not really our own, right? It’s whatever one that sticks from being repeatedly told by adults, teachers, friends, or media. And as we grow and learn and expand our horizons, we sometimes decide to redefine the meaning of words for ourselves, its essence, and the kind of power it holds.

    But it’s not an easy thing in itself to redefine anything for ourselves, because we grow up believing and being told that “this means this” and “that means that.” Words and their definitions felt pre-made and set. That it is what it is–what is there to question? And if we’ve held a certain meaning or a belief about a certain word for a long time without questioning it, it’s not always easy to grasp that certain words or concepts hold a whole, different kind of essence or meaning to different people. And even when we are introduced to new meanings, it’s almost like a reflex to reject it. It’s hard to accept the possibility of change of something so basic and fundamental as a definition or meaning of something. Reconciling with the possibility of a different meaning than the one we held in our brain/mind for whatever reason is really a conscious process that requires a LOT of cognitive thought. Like really thinking, where did I get this idea?

    It’s so easy to fall back and think and say that my own learned definition or connotation or belief of a particular word, phrase, or idea is the one that is or should be the standard, the only one to be sustained. If we give other meanings a fair, thorough research and thought, whatever meaning or definition of something we come away with (expanded meaning, multiple meanings, or maybe not) in the end is one that truly becomes our own, right? And personally, that process gives me a sense of peace, direction, and power as I live life and make decisions in a world that is full of conflicts arisng from all sorts of differences.

    P.S. What a great platform you developed through your blog and this post, where people can share their thoughts on complicated issues like this. I think you are just so brave and admirable! 🙂 I would imagine it’s not easy to open up and lead an honest, conscientious, and thoughtful discussion on this stuff, especially on the internet.

    So thank you, for your wonderful blend of inspiring, eye-opening, and thought-provoking posts!

  37. steve Avatar
    steve

    As for a non-religious reason to define marriage one way and not another: because we have to draw the line somewhere and traditionally that has been at man/woman partnerships.

    So? It was also once drawn at a man and woman of the same race. There are a lot of traditions that are now considered pretty fucked-up. The point is, if two consenting adults want to marry each other, and get the various rights, responsibilities and privileges that go with that, why should they not be able to simply because they happen to be the same sex?

    I will not compare gay marriage to pedophilia or marrying a horse, but I will compare it to bigamy. Can you give me one non-religious reason to ban bigamy?

    Some people have argued along the lines of:

    – Policy reasons — the laws of our society (laws of property ownership, inheritance, parental rights, marital property, etc.) are structured on the assumption that only two people are involved in a marriage. Allowing for a person to have more than one marriage creates situations which the law cannot handle.

    – Sociological reasons — in practice, much polygamy involves a man with several wives, and occurs when the women are very young. It might reasonably be argued that exploitation and coercion are involved more often than free choice.

    I don’t find the former argument compelling at all. The latter I do, with some caveats. But regardless, they are reasons, and the aren’t religious ones.

    1. Sam Avatar
      Sam

      Just as Motty said, I am not equating homosexuality with bestiality, but can you think of reasons bestiality is illegal other than on religious grounds? I have heard people say that the connection they experience from their relationship with a dolphin is unsurpassed by any human love. They say that the dolphins reciprocate in the relationship so there is apparent consent. Again, I am not trying to offend anyone NOR am I saying that homosexuality is the same as bestiality but, as Motty said, part of the reason that many people are against gay marriage is because they feel it is “over the line.” Where is that line and why? 50 years ago, I think most people would have said gay marriage is over the line. Perhaps in 50 years from now people will be offended that people would think bestiality is over the line. Where do our ethics come from. Are they whimsical? Are they evolving or devolving? How would we know the difference? Whether you are religious or not, one thing you have to give devoutly religious people is that their source of ethics is unbending and that makes those ethics slightly more plausible. Note that I am not talking about morals which involve action. Devout religious people commit crimes and sin at times. That does not change their ethics necessarily. Just because one violates an ethical principle does not change the validity or lack of validity of that principle. Anyway, I am rambling so I’ll quit here but feel free to weigh in.

      P.S. I once brought up this very question in a group setting and almost got crucified! People thought I was saying that gay people are animals. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. A person is a person and should be treated as such no matter what they believe and no matter what you believe. And our very own Ben Staaah has discussed his homosexuality and we all (or at least most of us 🙂 ) love Ben.

      1. Craig Smith Avatar

        One of the hallmarks of current laws about sex is the ability to give informed consent. Animals cannot give informed consent; at best, they can only submit without protest. This is why bestiality is illegal.The proper parallel is not between homosexuality and bestiality, but between pedophilia and bestiality. Religion doesn’t enter into the discussion.

      2. steve Avatar
        steve

        Sam, what Craig Smith said. There are non-religious reasons for wanting bestiality to be illegal, just as there are for bigamy/polygamy (whether one finds any given reason convincing).

        Whether you are religious or not, one thing you have to give devoutly religious people is that their source of ethics is unbending and that makes those ethics slightly more plausible.

        Nope. Firstly, there are non-religious moral systems that can be just as “unbending”, for example Randian Libertarianism (which sources its ethics from its overarching metaphysics of Objectivism), and some versions of utilitarianism.

        Secondly, claiming an unbending source for your ethics doesn’t necessarily make the resultant moral system more plausible per se. In fact, some more flexible systems might claim that it is just that inflexibility that makes the system implausible.

        1. Sam Avatar
          Sam

          I hear what you are saying. However, there are also secular reasons for disallowing homosexual marriage. I am not familiar with Randian Liberetarianism but you have inspired me to research it. As to the second point. I can see how a flexible system might consider flexibility important to morals and actions but I don’t see how an unbending code of right and wrong can be seen as less plausible as a code than one that bends. Again, I am talking about ethics not morals. I will give the analogy of a trial since part of this post was about the George Zimmerman trial. If an expert witness changes how conclusions are made in an expert capacity, they are seen as less credible to the jury since it indicates that the current methodology is not necessarily irrefutable just as the previous methodology proved not to be irrefutable. Similarly when it comes to a code of ethics, the fact that the code has been revised proves that there is no reason to subscribe to the code since it has been shown to be mutable in the past. However, when the code is immutable, it at least doesn’t show that there are conclusive weaknesses in any version of the code. I realize that we are getting off on a tangent and perhaps what I am saying is irrelevant to the current discussion but I hope I am making myself clear.

          1. Ben Avatar

            Sam, I do hope that Randian Libertarianism will forever be associated with Ayn Rand and not Rand Paul. Ha ha ha… I supremely respect that guy’s father and believe he’d be a fabulous president, but Rand himself is a bit of a nut job. I haven’t heard ANY logical secular reasons for disallowing gay marriage…I’d love to hear your input if you have a solid argument on that!

            I don’t for a second believe that EITHER ethics or morals are ever solid and immutable. If there’s one thing for certain about the evolution of human society, it’s that ethics and morals are ever-changing. We look back on those who endorsed slavery, and we shudder at how humans could ever think themselves superior enough to own another human. We look back further and are horrified that women were once considered material property, to be traded for livestock and land. Shockingly, we find that some cultures STILL consider both of these things perfectly permissible. To them, that code is immutable and unchangeable, yet to us, it is barbaric. A century from now, OUR predecessors will look back on our current culture’s ethics and morals and be as horrified at us as we are about our ancestors. Ethics and morals will never reach a place where they are universal and immutable. I hope they don’t, because it means we’ll have come to a place where we stop questioning what we believe.

          2. Steve Avatar

            I hear what you are saying. However, there are also secular reasons for disallowing homosexual marriage.

            That’s beside the point. I wasn’t suggesting that there weren’t any secular reasons at all put forward for disallowing same sex marriage. There are. They’re just a bit shit.

            Motty raised the challenge of stating a non-religious reason to ban bigamy. It appears their point was that we have to fall back on religious reasons for at least some of our morals. However, morality does not require religion.

            As to the second point. I can see how a flexible system might consider flexibility important to morals and actions but I don’t see how an unbending code of right and wrong can be seen as less plausible as a code than one that bends.

            Fascists have a fairly unbending code of right and wrong. How do they rate for plausibility in your mind?

            However, when the code is immutable, it at least doesn’t show that there are conclusive weaknesses in any version of the code.

            The supposedly “immutable” code could simply be a case of the believers refusing to acknowledge the weaknesses that are present in their code. It could just as easily be explained by them being stubborn or closed-minded as by them being right. You’re engaging in a begging the question fallacy: assuming that the devoutly religious are more likely to be right (more “plausible”), because they don’t change their ethical views, simply because if they don’t change their views they’re more likely to be right.

  38. Kara Will Avatar
    Kara Will

    I’m going to apologize in advance if I seem a bit punchy. Been up for 21 hours and no hope of sleep for at least another 16. Ok, now for my comment:

    We should totally start a “Human Pride” festival, that could be way fun.

    I have no problem with two people of the same gender marrying, they’re not hurting anybody. Honestly, I never understood why some people are so against it.

    I don’t really feel qualified to give an opinion on the whole George Zimmerman trial, as I don’t know what happened (because I wasn’t there).

    Finally, Paula Deen may have said and done things that could be taken the wrong way, however she meant them. Who in this world has never said or done anything they might regret later? Give the poor woman a break. She apologized, quite sincerely I might add.

    Ooohhh, look at the pretty sunrise!

    1. Andrea Avatar
      Andrea

      “I have no problem with two people of the same gender marrying, they’re not hurting anybody.”

      This is the best way to summarize everything. Does it hurt anyone physically? No. But apparently, it hurts all them Medieval people in the morals.

    2. Ben Avatar

      Kara, the Human Pride Festival exists! It’s called Burning Man, and I go every year. It is a celebration of “Radical Self Expression.” It’s a place where people of EVERY background and belief system get together for a week in the desert to prove that we can all live together in harmony and positivity. Even hateful, angry, bitter people come…and they sit on the side of the road and hurl hate speech at everyone who walks past, and even THEY are loved and welcomed there. No one fights against them…because the event is about celebrating your self expression. It’s an extraordinary event, you should look into it!

  39. Xy Avatar
    Xy

    Hi Ben, I’m so glad you addressed this “Paula Deen” situation, because I heard that you are/were a fan of Paula Deen and I was interested to know what you think about this media debacle. Honestly, I think the whole thing has just been blown out of proportion. People just seemed to like a good scandal to discuss about. These days, I can’t open a news website without seeing another article about the next foodie company to drop Paula Deen, I swear, there seems to be more coverage about Paula Deen than there were news of the recent Egypt and Brazil travesties, or the earthquake in Indonesia. The media just loved to exploit “Fallen celebrities” as much as possible to save themselves the trouble of writing inquisitive and insightful articles (unlike you, Ben!Thank you for your inquisitive and insightful blogging)

    And you are absolutely right, words contain no power, it is us humans who give it power. From young, I’ve never understood why certain words were bad. I always wondered, since people know these words are bad, why do they even need to exist in the first place, Why would people allocate negative meanings to certain words? But then again, I’m one of the only ones my age who still calls the F word the F word.

    Indeed, I hope for the day we can stop telling one another, I’m a christian/ buddhist/ hindu/ muslim/ atheist/etc and instead say I am human and I stand for humanity.

  40. Carolyn DuBose Avatar

    Thanks, Ben, for being the voice of reason. Great blog!

    I liked the part about words and not giving power to them. Several years ago, at a funeral, no less, someone who hadn’t seen me since childhood made the statement about how big I was. I paused for a second and thought, one, this person is old….and distantly related. And two, I could be offended and storm off or make a scene….or I could be the best graceful person I could be. So I simply took her hand and gave it a little pat and said, “Yes, mam, I am” and smiled sweetly.. On another occasion someone meaning to be insulting to me told me I reminded them of Mama Cass. I said ” Oh thanks, She had the voice of an angel…if I could only be so talented….” Needless to say this person was stunned that I did not fall for her jab.

    I had been wondering about all the fuss about Paula Deen…after all, we have all done and said things that were wrong and we grew from our mistakes. She was sincere in her apology and I doubt she ever meant to offend anyone in the first place. Forgiveness should be freely given to anyone who asks.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Carolyn, what a fabulous comment. I do hope everyone who has expressed dissent about my opinion regarding the power of words reads your comment. Some people are claiming that words STILL have universal inflammatory power based on their origins…and that’s just not true. WE HAVE THE ABILITY to not react negatively to words, and your examples are perfect representations of that. There is ALWAYS another response if we take a moment and make the choice to not let words be daggers. I love your Mama Cass retort. I cannot hear Cass’s voice without a tear coming to my eye…not because of her size or her passing, but because she has one of the most extraordinarily warm and soothing voices in existence. I cannot be sad when I listen to Mama Cass. I would consider it a SUPREME compliment to be compared to her in ANY way.

  41. Brian B Avatar
    Brian B

    What I find odd is that the lady sueing her isnt even black, she just used that comment to start a scandal, and scandal she has started. If she truly is just speaking up for the people who are to afraid to speak up then the money she wins should go to minorities who have been persecuted. Mrs Jackson is after a money grab that is it, and unfortunatly some people think that because others have been successful in life it is ok to try and take from them. Id say there are some good points in this blog and maybe one day we will live in a world were we dont judge everyone else but unfortunatly not yet.

    And for everyone who says she is a racist let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Let someone come forth who has never in their life used a derogatory slur, a racist comment, or told a sexist joke and judge her. Unfotunatly I will believe I will be long dead before someone can.

    It’s the lazy people at the bottom with no ambition in life that like to watch the people at the top fall and judge them. Paula has made an empire, she has drive, ambition and will do it again, while the people who judge her and criticize her will still be at the bottom

  42. Miles Purinton Avatar
    Miles Purinton

    Hey Ben,

    I love your blog and can appreciate your viewpoints here– and the fact that you explained your argument reasonably and with thought. I disagree with you whole-heartedly, but I only hope that I can make my counter-argument with the same grace that you have.

    I do agree that the sensationalism surrounding Paula Deen’s fall from grace has been terrible– the media never knows how to cover this well, but I cannot bring myself to feel bad for Paula Deen when it is her behavior which has caused this in this first place. Yes, some of these are simply allegations, but there has been a lot that Paula has admitted to. I’m curious to know if you read the transcript of, I believe, her deposition– it was pretty rough. The description of how she wanted a “plantation” theme at the wedding and admission to using offensive language was on full display in Paula’s own words– there was no media interpretation here.

    I agree that, within reason, the use of offensive language should not warrant losing ones job– but I’d like to point out that Paula does not have a normal job. She is a television personality– specifically one who has staked her reputation on being nice, being friendly, being the type of person who would welcome you into her home and cook dinner for you. She is held to a different standard, and for good reason– this is someone who people aspire to be like.

    You speak to the power of words, and say that the only reason words have power is because we give the power to them, but I think that does not take into account the fact that these words are very helpful. The fact that you are not offended by the word “faggot,” for example, does not mean that others will not be. Especially given the history of the word– the faggot is a word meaning a specific unit of a bundle of sticks. They were typically used as kindling (why Brits call cigarettes “fags”) and because the popular choice of kindling when one would be burning homosexuals, as became a fairly popular custom. This is also where the derogatory meaning of the word “flaming” comes from. The history of this word is remarkably offensive– although most people who use it would never imagine the definition, many gay men do and, when they hear it, they interpret it as being told that they are no more than kindling which should be burned. Another offensive word that many people do not realize is so terrible is “tranny,” a sort of catch-all term that lumps together those who are transvestites, transgendered, transsexual, crossdessers, or drag queens. This word is still in the public vernacular– even beloved gay icon Neil Patrick Harris recently made a comment on a television show about how he felt like a “tranny,” and it’s a favorite word of RuPaul. But the problem is that using this word lumps all of these words, with very different definitions, together. This is hurtful for those who are transgender– meaning they identify as a gender which does not match their biological sex. By calling, for example, a transgender woman a tranny, she is being told that she is not a woman, but simply a man in a dress– since you are using a term that comes from the word transvestite. In the transgender community, the word is considered very hurtful and can cause offense equal to that of “nigger” or “faggot.” Words hurt– it is wonderful that you are able to dismiss derogatory slurs, truly, but that does not mean that all will be able to have that strength.

    To get back on topic, what worries me most about Paula Deen is not even what she is charged with, but her response to it. Her charges are bad, yes, but if she had owned up to them, admitted a mistake, owned up to her actions and vowed to change, there wouldn’t be a story to tell. What’s terrible is that Ms. Deen seems completely unaware as to what she has done wrong and why she is being persecuted. In response to wanting black men to dress in white suits at a wedding because it would evoke the “old South,” she said that she did not ultimately do this because she thought people would misinterpret it. And that’s the problem– she thinks that the blame lies with the people who would be offended rather than her who caused the offense. She goes on television and claims that she is not racist– but that is not true. She used racist language, and that makes her racist– just as using homophobic language makes you homophobic and using sexist language makes you sexist. Just because there’s no malicious intent behind the language doesn’t make it less what it is. Paula Deen claims she is a nice person– that never came into question. She seems lovely, and may be lovely. You can be nice and racist at the same time, and that seems to be the case here. But that doesn’t excuse her actions– especially when she stands by them amidst this backlash.

    Two last things and then my rant is done– thanks for those who took the time to read. Paula Deen is not the victim here– that’s really important to remember. Just as the Steubenville rapists were painted as victims by the media, many are leaping to Paula Deen’s defense and, although Paula’s crimes are far less severe, none can be seen as a victim. This would be the case even if Paula’s career were over, but it isn’t. Her cookbook sales have hit a record high and I’m sure she will continue to write more and be present in the world of cooking. And I’m sure she has plenty to live off of for the rest of her life.

    Lastly, I’d like to share this letter which says more than I could ever hope to– absolutely brilliant and, in my opinion, the best article I’ve seen in response to all of this. http://afroculinaria.com/2013/06/25/an-open-letter-to-paula-deen/

  43. Li Avatar
    Li

    I’m afraid that I’d have to disagree on many of the issues you brought up in this article, Ben. In my opinion, words have power not due to your ability to ignore it, but on the intent that it was used. I am more than capable of laughing at my friends jokes, but when it indicates that whoever’s speaking it thinks of me as below them, I can’t possibly treat them the same as before, because I know they won’t treat me the same as everyone else. Words have power because it leads to, or reflects, action. It is also something impossible to ignore because when racism and sexism are so institutionalized, it leads to barriers that are near impossible to overcome. Words itself doesn’t have power, but words in context of a discriminatory society have a lot of power. You did not mean any harm to the woman when you called her a sweetheart, but how many times has she been called that by men who dismissed her as incapable of making her own decisions because she’s a women? I’m not saying you can’t ever say sweetheart again, but from her perspective, it hurt.

    As a bisexual WOC who is also an immigrant, I’ve seen my fair share of discrimination. Every time a friend says something that betrays the fact that they see me as below them, I am hurt and made to feel lesser. In fact, that brings me to my second point about your article. The way I attempt to rise above these these is to take solace in the minority community around me. I don’t believe that colour-blind or race-blind or gender-blind would ever be realistic because when most people are talking about it, they’re talking about the minority giving up their culture to assimilate with the majority because society is so unequal right now. But why do they have to? Why can’t they feel pride for who they are and what they’ve endured? To me, the goals is not to end labels that people feel pride in, but to let people take on and shed labels as they wish, with no discrimination from one label to another. To recognize but not discriminate. My home country is infantilized and villainized, but I’m proud of where I’m from, and while I know that most people do not mean any harm, it still hurts. And why shouldn’t it? Why do I have to shoulder the responsibility of other people’s ignorance?

    One thing I definitely agree with you is to let the minority have their own voice. And that voice might be as different and conflicting as anyone else’s, because we are not one homogenized group of people. We are different people with different believes, just like everyone else

    1. Ben Avatar

      Li, thank you so much for your comment. What upsets me is to hear that you believe friends say things to you that you interpret as them speaking down to you…like you’re below them. If these are your friends, I TRULY believe you are interpreting those comments in a way OTHER than that with which the comments were delivered. When my best friend since age 13 pokes a gay joke at me, there’s not an OUNCE of superiority in his intent. (In fact, if anything, he may consider me “higher” than himself in most respects.) I COULD interpret that as him saying that he’s better than me because he’s heterosexual. But that would be a completely inaccurate interpretation.

      This is STILL about how you receive words. If it’s hurting you to receive these words from your friends as if they are speaking down to you, then you owe it to yourself to STOP interpreting it that way, and start interpreting it as your friends are comfortable enough around you to make light of situations that more ignorant people consider to be real. Making jokes has always been a way for humans to rob negative issues of their power.

      I also DO NOT EVER believe in minority “assimilation” in terms of giving up their culture and believes to be “more like” the majority. NEVER. In fact, it’s crucial, if separatism is ever to end, for “minorities” to continue to embrace the richness of their cultural heritage. When I talk about avoiding clustering together with your own kind, allow me to use an example. I’m gay. My partner and I live together. In Dallas, the “typical” thing for us to do would be to move to Oaklawn, the area that is predominantly gay. Instead, we moved out to the conservative suburbs. Are we pretending to be like everyone else out here? Nonsense. We put signs in our yard about supporting gay marriage. We hold hands in the front yard and I kiss him goodbye for work in front of God and everyone. But the people who see our signs and observe our kiss also KNOW me. I’ve brought them soup when they were sick, or given them fresh eggs. They know and respect and love me as a HUMAN. So when they face their own prejudices against gay people, they think of ME and it gives them pause. It’s no different for any other “minority” group. Once we’re ALL dispersed together in our churches and neighborhoods and workplaces, rather than banding up into our own factions to support each other…EVERYONE is exposed to how unique and human are those that they formerly discriminated against. It has NOTHING to do with assimilation and giving up culture and characteristics. I’m not saying “hide out in the masses.” I’m saying “If you want to achieve equality, stop banding together in the safety of your minority group (which is, in fact, hiding out), get out into the group that discriminates against you and let them see your humanity. Let them grow to love you. Only then will people stop viewing each other as belonging to specific categories, and instead start viewing everyone as the same.”

  44. Li Avatar
    Li

    Hi Ben, thanks for responding, and I’m glad you clarified your position on minorities. I like your blog and you seem like a genuinely good person 🙂 . I definitely agree that the best way to advocate for equality is to mingle with others and not hide out. Some people are unable or willing to do that though and I think that’s also okay.

    However, I’m afraid I’m going to have to agree to disagree with you on the words issue. I poke fun at my friends all the time and sometimes onlookers might think we hate each other. And I agree that in those situations, racism and sexism and all that don’t exist in our bubble. But other times, people, acquaintances, even friends will say things that I know make either myself or other members of the group upset, and they won’t even know why (such as rape jokes with hints of victim blaming). They’re just saying what they’ve always known. In those cases, I feel words have power because it reflects what society thinks.

    But thanks for debating with me Ben, and I wish you the best.

  45. Michelle Avatar
    Michelle

    Ben, I think your blog here is brave, thought out, and says some wonderful stuff. I’m delighted, personally, that the government overturned DOMA, and I think the Paula Deen issue has been blown completely out of proportion (then again, I’m leery of anyone who sues for financial compensation), and also that no matter what Trayvon Martin said, he didn’t deserve to lose his life. As you said, once people lose lives over words (as has happened in history many times), it is quite clear those words have been given far too much power.

  46. Adele Avatar

    I really love your blog, but I also disagree strongly with most of what you’ve written here.

    Words do have power and meaning outside of what we may intend when we use them. You might not care that someone calls you a faggot, but the kid across the street, discovering his or her sexuality, does. That kid isn’t going to think “hey, I should go explore the etymology of ‘faggot’” and shouldn’t be asked to give hateful people the benefit of the doubt. I’m glad those words don’t hurt you now (I don’t want anyone to be hurt), but the hurt slurs inflict on others is very real, and not to be trivialized.

    You bring up comedy, and I think that’s very fitting, because it illustrates pretty clearly why context matters. Nothing is off limits, but you’ve got to do it right. Kick up, not down. That’s why Wanda Sykes’ Detachable P–sy [edited by Ben] bit is hilarious, and Daniel Tosh’s “wouldn’t it be funny if she got raped” response to an audience member is not.

    Words are important. To put it another way, if I cook up some cheap ground beef, throw it in a baking dish, cover it in instant mash, I can call it shepherd’s pie. But it will still taste like sh-t.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Adele, if we teach our kids that they have the power to not allow words to affect them, as I was taught as a child, that kid across the street discovering his sexuality will be just fine, regardless of what people say. It’s when we continue to “sensitize” words that they still have power over people. I was taught from an early age to only accept positivity from words, and I’ve subsequently lived my whole life that way. If EVERYONE were taught this, hateful words would have no power over anyone. When we obsess over these words…freak out when people use them…try to make them illegal…lead campaigns to end the use of these words…all we do is perpetuate the hurt that these words can inflict.

      1. Helga Loncosky Avatar

        While I think that is mostly true, my question is what happens when they don’t get the response and then make it physical? because that is the next step. I’m termed a Messianic or completed Jewess, my father is Jewish but also double ordained Baptist (sorry) and Full Gospel. He also has a double masters in journalism and administration and my family is not prudish in anyway, we run an interdenominational ministry. Mom is Seneca native American. I give this background because I can remember being 8 years old, and going to a Baptist Christian School (something my parents are still apologizing to me for, LOL) and the kids there not only name calling, which I ignored because I was a pretty confident and robust kid, but pelting me with rocks until I bled and the adults laughing it off because i wasn’t in their “click”. At some point, you do HAVE to address the words or it can escalate because they need that reaction so badly. When the adults wouldn’t step in, I beat the shit out of them and that took care of that. (Seneca/Jewish is not a combination to screw with). So my question is where is the line and how do advise to address it? It’s such a fine line sometimes.

        1. Sam Avatar
          Sam

          I think you answered your own question, Helga. The line is physical violence. Anything short of that can and should be deemed relatively harmless based on Ben’s logic (which I agree with although I still think that in addition to teaching our children that they should not give the words of others power, they should still be sensitive to the fact that words CAN be painful and so they should be sensitive when speaking to or about others). I think this has been Ben’s point all along. He never condoned physical violence in any way. BTW, the right to say anything is something that is, should be and will continue to be a reality in this country because of the constitution. We should raise our children to appreciate that for better or for worse because ultimately it is that very basic right that is what makes the U.S. great. They should know that from a legal standpoint we have the right to run into the middle of the street and yell “n****r, n****r, n****r!!!! f****t, f****t, f****t!!!” and that is protected by the constitution but it is not a nice thing to do and it can hurt people’s feelings. BTW, this epidemic that Ben speaks of has been unfortunately been getting even worse with the advent of social networking where just about any mean thing that is posted to a facebook or twitter post is considered “cyber-bullying”. I think this over-protection of our children is making them ill-prepared to deal with actual life where people can say whatever they want. I was made fun of plenty when I was a kid and it hurt and I am sure that when I told my parents about it they felt my pain. However, they reinforced to me that I should ignore words and that there was nothing wrong with me, etc. I learned to use my strengths to gain popularity. Namely, I had a good sense of humor and gained a reputation for being funny and quick-witted. Ultimately, I think I am a better person because of it, I am a better husband because of it, etc.

          1. Ben Avatar

            DEFINITELY agreed that the hoopla over cyber bullying will make things far worse in the end!

      2. Carrie Avatar
        Carrie

        The problem with that is, sure you can take away the power from a word (I notice you’ve been editing curse words though, wouldn’t your argument apply to those words too? Why not just display them? Or is it a comment policy–I’d accept that, actually) but you can’t take away the intent behind it, which is generally hatred or some type of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. If you take away the stigma behind calling gay people faggots a new word will spring up because the hatred behind hurling those insults won’t go away. This sounds like “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”, which is often told to kids when they’re bullied, and I can understand trying to do that because you want your kids to rise above the bullying and not get beaten down by it, but it won’t stop the bullies-I was bullied for years in school and so were some of my friends, and just look at the comment beneath mine for proof of that. I’m with you on not making words illegal though. I’m definitely not okay with that.

        I did notice an earlier post you made about how people think you’re racist because you’re defending Paula Deen…I don’t think you are racist, and I’d hope anyone who read a post or two on your blog would figure that out pretty quickly. I don’t think you’re racist at all, I just don’t think what you are saying is…can’t find the word–applicable? realistic? But it’s definitely food for thought!

        1. Carrie Avatar
          Carrie

          sorry, the comment above mine, not beneath it.

        2. Ben Avatar

          Carrie, I edit most curse words because children (my little nieces and nephews among them) read my site, and the majority of my audience is conservative, so I want the website to continue being what parents will call a “family friendly space.”

          Bullying will NEVER be stopped. It is a naturally occurring phenomenon in EVERY part of the animal kingdom. But we can empower our kids to choose which words they give power to. Many bullies can be stopped, or at least diverted to someone else, when they see that their words have no effect…or, in fact, have the opposite effect of what was intended. Bullies who use physical violence aren’t so easily deterred. But that’s a whole other subject.

          1. Carrie Avatar
            Carrie

            Oh okay, editing the words makes sense then. I thought it’d be something like that.

    2. Carrie Avatar
      Carrie

      Bingo. That’s why I can call my friend “bitch ass” when I talk to her/see her…it’s basically our way of saying I love you–but it would be totally inappropriate for me to walk up to someone at the park or the beach and say “what’s up bitch ass!” Or to use the earlier argument of Ben’s friends in the kitchen calling him a faggot, they obviously accept him and don’t mean anything bad by it. A stranger on the street who screams “faggot!” as he passes by, though, is being hateful, not accepting, and just because Ben is able to let it roll off his back because it’s just a word doesn’t take away the intent behind it, although it’s great that he’s able to do that. Context is everything.

    3. Sam Avatar
      Sam

      I disagree about your point on comedy. There is nothing that is not funny simply because some find it offensive. In fact, almost all comedy is offensive to someone. I have never heard of Tosh but I have heard lines like that from comedians such as Louie C.K. and Jim Norton and I found it funny. You know why? first of all, it is pretty clear that they are exaggerating for effect. Second of all, the delivery, timing and irony of the line is perfect. I am not saying that I don’t understand that some people are disturbed by such comedy. But to make a blanket statement that such comedy is absolutely not funny is wrong. You may not appreciate it, but that doesn’t make it unfunny. As an example, let’s take the defense attorney’s opening joke in the George Zimmerman case(Knock knock. Who’s There? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman Who? You’re on the jury). I found the joke to not be funny. NOT BECAUSE IT WAS OFFENSIVE which I could see some people feeling. I just thought the delivery sucked and the joke was prefaced by so many caveats that it couldn’t have gotten a laugh. A joke is not funny only when it isn’t funny, not when some or even many people are offended by it.
      While we’re on the subject, Ben, I noticed you only have one recipe with sausage in it (scotch eggs). What kind of a fag are you anyway 🙂

      1. Ben Avatar

        HAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks, Sam. I actually DO love culinary sausages (ahem) so I’m surprised that there aren’t more sausage recipes on my site. Perhaps it’s a subconscious avoidance of the subject? *giggle*

        VERY much in agreement with you on this post. I don’t think the phrase “is NOT funny” can ever be universally correct. And I don’t believe that any subject should EVER be “safe” from comedy. It’s never “too soon.” Humor is a powerful tool to help us approach difficult issues and relieve the tensions surrounding them. I get REALLY frustrated when folks get their panties in a wad over something a comedian said, or a joke they found to be in bad taste. They’re giving too much power to words.

  47. Xay Avatar
    Xay

    It’s good to know that the racism I have experienced in my life is because I separate myself and give words power, not because of racist policies or a racist society. That it’s ok that people are taking pictures of themselves sprawled on the ground with an Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles and calling it “Trayvoning” because hey, at least they find it funny so it can’t possibly be offensive.

    I like off color jokes a lot and it’s pretty hard to offend me. But there are genuine racial issues in this country and I do find it offensive to have that chalked up to giving power to words when there are people who can’t get jobs, people who are harassed by strangers and the police and people who are specifically targeted for predatory lending because of their race. And none of that has to do with being called a nigger.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Xay, I am not pretending that this blog post is the answer to racism. My blog post is about how we will continue to perpetuate division amongst all humans when we continue to allow words to be divisive. That is only one tiny step in the direction of become one as a human family. As I also mentioned, when we all band together and live with “our own kind,” we’re also not helping to break down the boundaries that people have in their minds about us. It’s easy for a middle aged couple who’ve never met a gay person to be disgusted by the displays of homosexuality that they see on TV. It is harder for them to be disgusted by homosexuality when they learn their child, or their brother, their best friend, or their parent is gay. It’s easy for someone like Paula Deen to have racist tendencies when she grows up surrounded by people who think racism is fine. It is harder when she grows to love and respect someone whose skin color is black. If there’s ANYTHING in my blog that will help to end racism, it’s that. Not my discussion of words. Yes, we can get legislation passed when we band together. Yes, we can sue people when we pool resources. But do we CHANGE HEARTS AND MINDS WHEN WE DO THIS? No. Changing hearts and minds happens when you let people who hate you grow to love you. And that happens when you live next door to them. When you work with them. When you go to church with them. And sticking with “our own kind” doesn’t foster that very well.

  48. Constance Avatar
    Constance

    Another high five Ben. What a superb blog and I agree with much of what you wrote. Restaurant kitchens are filled with sexist, racist comments and lots of drama. Not a good place to work if you have a delicate disposition. I read the particulars of the case against Paula Deen and others in the court document. I’m surprised the plaintiff in the discrimination case remained so long at the job. I would have been sending out hundreds of resumes after the first incident, certainly after the company refused a raise for pay parity with the men or a transfer to a different restaurant.

    And whatever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”?

  49. Straight to Chickens Avatar

    I have turned this over and over in my mind. I’ve discussed it with friends. One of those friends sent this back to me:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8z97F48Ef4&feature=youtu.be

    I feel that you are spot on in a lot of respects, but I don’t think it’s right, putting the onus of responsibility not to feel bad about hatred onto the recipient of hate.

    Not trying to change anyone’s mind, just my two cents. I have raised two children, one 15, one 17, and neither of them understand discrimination, racism or hatred of any kind. My personal philosophy is that if enough people come to it with a sense of confusion, it will die out.

    1. Ben Avatar

      I’m not sure it was my intent to make the subject of hate speech be “responsible.” But I do believe it’s incredibly healthy and empowering for them to realize that they don’t have to acknowledge hatred directed against them. There will ALWAYS be hate in this world. Humans are programmed for it. We will never, as a race, be able to vanquish hatred and fear in all humans. That will never happen. But we CAN teach our kids that they have the power to rise above it, and not allow themselves to be a receptive target for it.

      I love your statement: “…if enough people come to [discrimination] with a sense of confusion, it will die out.” Completely agreed. My friends are raising kids the exact same way. My friends Kirk and Carolyn have an extraordinary little daughter named Ella Grace, and whenever she hears about discrimination on TV, she’s just completely confused and dumbfounded. She recently heard some homophobic remarks from a person at school, and got so upset that she told the other child, “Your heart is a dark place filled with tornadoes where unicorns go to die.” Ella got in trouble for saying that. (As she probably should have…it’s not nice to say things like that. Nor is it nice to say hateful things to ANYONE like her classmate did.) At home that night, she was crying. Not because she had gotten in trouble, but because she didn’t realize why anyone would hate someone else for any reason. And that broke her heart.

      1. debbs in TX Avatar
        debbs in TX

        Maybe Ella Grace shouldn’t have said that (“Your heart is a dark place filled with tornadoes where unicorns go to die.”), but I have to admit I like the way she thinks. She sounds like a remarkable child with her heart in the right place. The world could use more like her.

        1. Ben Avatar

          I have to admit that I can’t WAIT for Ella Grace to grow up and see what she does with the world. She writes letters to the president and the governor on a regular basis. In crayon. And it’s not to thank them for what they’re doing. It’s to whip them into shape.

          1. debbs in TX Avatar
            debbs in TX

            Awesome! She sounds like someone we’ll all be hearing about in the years to come.

  50. Denise Avatar
    Denise

    Ben, you are a total ROCK STARR. Loved you on MC and love your blog. Your posts are always incredibly insightful and so well-written. While reading this post, I sat back and thought “Damn, that’s a GREAT point!” so many times I lost count. You are obviously a very intelligent and warm-hearted person, and I applaud you.

    And even though I agree MC has really gone downhill, I still watch it. Your recaps are still very enjoyable, so I hope you will keep on writing them! (I also hope that the producers take note of all the dissatisfaction with what’s happening to the show and go back to the way it was in the first two seasons.)

    Keep being awesome! 🙂

  51. Tyler Avatar
    Tyler

    Are you SERIOUS! REALLY! Words do have power no matter how you use them. You see nothing wrong with making sexist or racist jokes WOW!That’s whats wrong with the world
    Proverbs 18:21
    Ephesians 4:29

    1. Ben Avatar

      Tyler, this world is a big place, and only some folks who inhabit it are Christian. I do not build my world view on the Bible or any other literary or religious work. I do my best to base it on universal truths, of which there are VERY few. I do see NOTHING wrong with making sexist or racist jokes because, as I’ve said a dozen times on this thread, humor robs an issue of its power. (So while I very rarely tell jokes of any kind, I don’t chastise people for making them, and I think they are a VERY healthy way to allow people to decompress over an issue that might otherwise be very sensitive.) When people are quick to be offended by racism or sexism or homophobia, we perpetuate these institutions. It is only when you ALLOW words to have power that they have power. This may not be a Christian concept, but it is a TRUE concept. It is scientifically accurate. A word, in and of itself, holds absolutely no power over anyone or anything. Only when you assign a concept to that word does it have any meaning…and only if you allow yourself to be irritated or offended or hurt by it, did it have any “effectiveness.” If you don’t allow yourself to be hurt or offended or irritated, you rob the word of its power. If everyone did this, we’d stop having to have this RIDICULOUS fight over what words are acceptable and what are not. ALL words are acceptable. Because they are combinations of letters and sounds, nothing more. Sometimes it is appropriate and necessary to allow words to have power for good. But NEVER is it appropriate to allow words to have power for evil. Even if someone delivers a word with hate, YOU have the ability to not receive it that way. That’s one of the only ways to kill racism. Continue to obsess over racist words and jokes…and you’ll continue to perpetuate the separation that causes racism in the first place. That’s the Truth.

  52. Tiger Gray Avatar

    I love you Ben but I can’t get through this article. Words have power because they have traditionally been associated with abuses by the most powerful, something I know you are againt. Racist jokes often uphold racism instead of challenging it, and as white people it’s not even our place to comment on the power of racist jokes. The people of color who experience racism must lead the way, and we must follow.

    I’ll let you know that saying the “n word” “fifty years ago” is not what Paula Deen is in trouble for. She’s in trouble for creating actively hostile racist work spaces, in the here and now. She behaves in a horrific manner and then covers it up with her manufactured clueless Southerner personality. I am shocked to see you defending this. You’re about integrity and compassion and so am I, which is one of the reasons I am voraciously reading your entire blog one post after another. So I am saddened to see you insist that things cut both ways. They absolutely do not cut both ways and I encourage you, especially in the case of Trayvon Martin, to seek out and actively listen to black voices speaking about the very real violence, big and small, that is carried out against them every day and how it must feel to come across yet another blog post from a well meaning white person about how words have no power.

    I am a writer and a person with disadvantages. Words have immense power, even to the point where some linguists and scientists have suggested we can’t even consider a concept if we have no words to describe it. In cases of racism you are coming from a place of white power and supremacy, even though you as a person would never claim to uphold those ideals. We did not craft this society personally but we nonetheless benefit from it and we have a moral duty to stop opining on racism and let people of color speak.

    1. Ben Avatar

      Tiger, you may have missed the part in the blog about how the REAL way to end racism is for people to stop grouping together with “their own kind,” move into the hornet’s nest, and let people connect with them in meaningful ways. It’s easy for a devout Christian to hate and fear homosexuals…until they discover their child is homosexual. It’s easy for someone in a gated white community to hate and fear black people if they are raised that way…until a black family moves next door, their kids become friends, and they discover that they are NO different from themselves, and grow to trust and love them. It’s easy for someone in today’s global culture to hate and fear Muslims…until they discover that the coworker they’ve been working with for 10 years is Muslim and discusses with them the true tenets of their faith.

      I absolutely ABHOR the phrase, “I have _______ friends, so I understand.” Insert whatever minority group you want in there. But EVERY black friend I have has zero problems with racist jokes. Every gay friend I have has zero problems with gay jokes. I listen to minority voices every day of my life. I live in a neighborhood where *I* am the minority, both for my color and my sexuality.

      As long as we continue to give hateful power to words, racism will NEVER end. Period.

      Regarding this statement: “She behaves in a horrific manner and then covers it up with her manufactured clueless Southerner personality.” Have you worked for her? Or are you repeating the allegations? NONE of this has been decided in court. Practically NONE of the people who are supposedly the subject of these crimes have come forward to confirm the allegations by the white lady who filed the suit. I prefer to wait until a trial has concluded to make assumptions like this, and I prefer to judge NO ONE, even after being convicted of a crime, because that’s not my place. I was put on this world to love everyone. So were you. So were all of us. Regardless of your religious beliefs or lack thereof. Even when we see things we interpret as “evil,” if we’ll turn around and put the effort into doing GOOD, rather than to condemning that evil, less evil will exist.

      If all these people furious about Paula Deen’s behavior would take all the effort they’ve spent into discussing this issue, blogging about it, screaming about it on social media…and instead spend that time doing something GOOD for someone who needs it…we’d already be ahead of where we are now. I’m just fed up with people reaching out to condemn anyone. No one ever has any business doing that but a judge and jury. THEY are the ones who take care of crimes and pass down punishments. It’s our job to love. EVERYONE. Including the condemned. Who need love more than ANY of us, if they’re going to be healed.

  53. Brendan Avatar
    Brendan

    Hi, Ben. I’m an avid reader of your blog, but this is my first time commenting, mainly because I disagree with you sufficiently regarding your views on words:

    1) “Words have no power. PEOPLE give power to words. […] When we make such a drastic scene out of someone using a word, all we do is perpetuate the perception of power that word has.”

    The power of words is dependent on its context. My argument, then, is that some people make “a drastic scene out of someone using a word” more than others because of the context in which they are living in. Paula Deen grew up during the Civil War in America and therefore lived through racism to know that the word “nigger” connotes hatred for someone racially inferior. The word “nigger” is firmly entrenched in a historical and cultural baggage of hatred for people to now, in 2013, consider it an offensive word. Anyone, in 2013, has the right to take legal action against its usage.

    Similarly, to you, the word “sweetheart” is used in an endearing manner because of the context in which you grew up in, i.e. the South. Not everyone grows up in the South. Ergo, anyone has the right to perceive the word “sweetheart” as sexist because not everyone grew up in the South. You also make, what is to me, an unfair comparison between Paula’s use of the word “nigger” and Adrien’s use of the word “faggot.” Paula used “nigger” in a professional context. Adrien used “faggot” in a personal context. It is easier for you to be less offended by the joke because you are not in a position of inferiority. The power dynamics of a friendship is different from the power dynamics of an employer-employee relationship.

    When one uses a word, one ought to be conscious of the context in which it is being used. To assume that the recipient of one’s word will interpret it through the same lens that one is using is presumptuous.

    2) “Racist jokes rob racism of its power.”

    Racist jokes may rob racism of its power, but it can also perpetuate ignorance and prejudice. I have had friends who made racist jokes about how inconvenient it is for them to eat out with me because of my dietary restrictions as a Muslim. Most of the time, I let it slide. However, if someone goes so far as to shove pork into my mouth, to make fun of the fact that I do not eat pork as a Muslim, that perpetuates ignorance and prejudice, unless I react against such behaviour. The person shoving pork into my mouth, thinking of it as a joke, is disrespectful to the fact that pork is Haram in Islam, and ignorant as to why that is so.

    There is a tenuous line between a racist joke and an insult. If you don’t know where the line ought to be drawn, don’t make the joke to begin with.

    3) “I might go so far as to say that the equality groups that work SO HARD toward equality are as guilty of perpetuating racism as pro-racist groups are.”

    Following your logic, Mulligan’s Manor is as guilty of perpetuating discrimination against homosexual children as group-homes who choose to discriminate against them. Does that mean they should stop identifying themselves as a group-home prioritizing the socio-economic needs of homosexual children? Would you go so far as to say that it is “intoxicating” for the founders of Mulligan’s Manor to stand up for these unfairly marginalized children?

    4) “none of us should pass judgement on her until a jury does. […] I want to believe that Paula is a good person with a playful personality who tosses friendly jabs at her coworkers […] We could all stand to be a little more forgiving. […] Let’s not be so quick to throw her out like last week’s leftovers, especially if she offers a heartfelt apology.”

    Until a prosecutor / jury has failed to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that she is guilty of the allegations charged against her, it is not in my place to forgive her, or to think of her apology as “heartfelt.”

  54. David Avatar
    David

    Ben, as you probably know, AV Club recap commenters often mention your blog, and I’ve checked in from time to time, as I was a fan of you on Masterchef. I had to check back when someone wrote about their disappointment in you “defending racism”. From everything I’ve seen on your site, you’re obviously an awesome guy, but a lot of what you say on this particular issue comes off as blaming the victim, as if the targets of racist comments are just as responsible as the bullies for this ugly racism that continues to divide America (which is does, as poll results on the Trayvon Martin case show). I’m glad you’re strong enough to let discrimination roll off your back, but not everyone is so self-confident and strong. Anyway, the guy above me said it better than I ever could. Racism sucks, and I’m sure you don’t want to throw yourself in with people like this: (From the “Yo Is This Racist?” blog yesterday) “Somebody on facebook (she is white) just told me it’s not racist for her to say the n-word because according to her, “racism is real only if you give it power”. Obviously racist, but since when did people start thinking that this shit works like The Matrix?”

    1. Ben Avatar

      David, I don’t believe ANY words are racist. Any of them. Just like I don’t believe any words are sexist or homophobic. PEOPLE are racist. PEOPLE are homophobic. PEOPLE are sexist. Words are just words. Period. It is US who choose to give them power. And this means we also have the ability to NOT give them power. I don’t think what your friend said is racist. Honestly, I’ve heard more things that could be interpreted as racist come from the mouths of people who CLEARLY ARE NOT RACIST simply because they don’t make a distinction between racial groups and don’t give racism any credence. They are NOT racist…they are, in fact, the farthest thing from racist. Farther, in fact, than racial equality groups. When people stop giving a flying f-ck about division between groups of humans…that’s when racism will be dead. Not when we stop using the N-word. As long as we continue to identify humans in separate groups, there will be racism, sexism, homophobia, religious judgements, etc.

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